Talk:Heresy of the Free Spirit

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Initial entry[edit]

This entry was made about the Heresy of the Free Spirit to better understand the heresy and the Christian church’s reaction to it. In addition, to point out that the Church's reaction to heresy in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries was connected to the witchcraft persecution of the fifteenth century.

overhaul needed[edit]

We need a rewrite, I think. It's obviously got material mixed up from the Brethren of the Free Spirit. The facts here are out - for instance, the heresy of the Free Spirit was not just about a small group of Bohemians as the article currently states. It was more widespread. For example M.Porete (a french woman) pre-dates Eckhardt, and exctracts from her book were subsequently used by the church in combatting this heresy. The book was also very popular and translated into other languages, e.g. several different fifteenth century English MSS have been found. I am going to put a dispute template on, since "the Heresy of the Free Spirit" is current syllabus at theological colleges and seminaries, and this article is currently very misleading. Oliver Low (talk) 04:00, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Scriptural Justification[edit]

I found this in the First Epistle of St John -

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as He is pure. Whosoever commiteth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins: and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."

Perhaps this began the theological position of this movement. There are huge parallels between this Christian movement and the early Christian Gnostics. The idea that the Resurrection had or could happen in this world is found in the Nag Hammadi manucscripts. ThePeg 20:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC) "

In Favor of Merging?[edit]

Yes, this definitely looks like something which should be merged with Brethren of the Free Spirit. This particular article does not seem fully neutral, but could be merged in an appropriately neutral way with the "Brethren" article. Who's up for it? KRhodesian 16:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)KRhodesian

I think the two articles are quite different. The Brethren of the Free Spirit was a group of people, and the heresy of the Free Spirit is a set of ideas, merging the articles would be like merging the articles Hegelianism and Karl Marx.

I think the problem is that Heresy of the Free Spirit is currently in a poor state, and large chunks of Brethren of the Free Spirit belong in the former article. Oliver Low (talk) 02:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC) After 6 months of nobody disagreerig with my last, I am removing the merge template. Oliver Low (talk) 03:52, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Is there really that thick a line between the ideas and the movement that follows it? It could be a case-by-case basis, but in this case I don't see enough of a difference to justify two separate articles. Unless there is a major objection, I am probably going to make this an official merge request. (And you don't have to disagree that they should be merged to object to the proposal, only if you object so strongly that you don't think there should be an official discussion). Thanks, Fractalchez (talk) 07:06, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Merge with Brethren of the Free Spirit ??[edit]

Merge with Brethren of the Free Spirit ??

- 179.210.192.170 (talk) 18:05, 1 September 2016 (UTC)