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A news item involving Hirak (Algeria) was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 8 April 2019.

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Translation of fr.wp article

A link should probably added to the exact version this was a translation of to credit the original authors. These two pages should also be connected via WikiData, but I'm not sure how that is done. I'll see if I can find out. (source: fr:Manifestations_de_2019_en_Algérie) SashiRolls ^{t · c} 15:41, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Name Change

Should we change the name of the article to Algerian Revolution 2019.Alhanuty (talk) 19:22, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It might be good to wait and see how the press rename it. SashiRolls ^{t · c} 08:30, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Since the originally named Hirak (Mouvement) gained many demands and achieved a pretransition status, it is time to call it a revolution, first, because it achieved a lot and made huge changes in the Algerian political scene as well as the Algerian society. Second, to change the terrible image of the word 'revolution' in the minds of Algerians who are doing one of the most pacific revolutions of history, for this reason and as many commentators suggested, it would be great to name it The Smile Revolution. DiiDoo Kech (talk) 19:01, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Second "In the News" nomination

This page has been nominated at ITN for the second time (first nomination was 12 March) . Like last time, so far there have been no substantive comments here on the talk page or there at ITN/C to guide contributors towards fixing any perceived problems. Perhaps opening this section on the TP will help those ITN folks explain their reticence. (I personally suspect it's because much of the sourcing is not in English, since the best sources are in French & Arabic, and because there are redlinks in the article (one less now, thanks @Cheep:), but nobody has actually said that) -- SashiRolls ^{t · c} 08:30, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SashiRolls: Red links don't matter and neither does the use of French and Arabic sources. If I am going to support a posting with this article, I would like to see a deeper discussion of how these events led to the president's resignation. ITN requires a (recent event + significant update) to the page. I would help but I can't read speak French or Arabic.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:35, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Another lesser problem is WP:PROSELINE. This article reads like a news ticker. Can you blend the prose together a little.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:35, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The structural suggestions are very good, thanks! It's sure that the investigations and the resignation are indeed outcomes. It will be interesting to see what comes next. If I had a better understanding of the "pouvoir" and the context I would probably be better able to be more synthetic and less telegraphic. I'll work at it, but I don't have unlimited time, so I hope others who know more will too. This was an advantage of the time YVM was on ITN as I recall. Good readers/writers who knew interesting things showed up, perhaps because they saw the link on the main page. SashiRolls ^{t · c} 23:48, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Peaceful Protest?

Should this really be called a peaceful protest since there are hundreds of injuries and a death? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.88.3.250 (talk) 17:10, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section

The lead section is rather short. I thought maybe it could be lengthened to make the article more appealing. This is a proposition of how the lead section could be elaborated. ‘The 2019 Algerian protests, began on 16 February 2019, ten days after Abdelaziz Bouteflika announced his candidacy for a fifth presidential term in a signed statement. These protests, without precedent since the Algerian Civil War, have been peaceful.and led the military to insist on Bouteflika's immediate resignation, which took place on 2 April 2019.[9] By early May, a significant number of power-brokers close to the deposed administration, including the former president's younger brother Saïd, had been arrested.

The rising tensions within the Algerian regime can be traced back to the beginning of Bouteflika’s rule which has been characterized by the state’s monopoly on natural resources revenues used to finance the government’s clientelism system and ensure its stability (Boserup and Martinez 2016). The major demonstrations have taken place in the largest urban centers of the country throughout the months of February, March and April 2019. Due to their significant scale, the protests have attracted international media coverage and provoked reactions from several heads of states and scholarly figures.’ Bg67213 (talk) 15:46, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds like a great idea. The lead and structure of the entry could both use some work. Be bold! I suggest adding a link if you use clientelist system. I haven't chased down crowd size estimates in April, but I think it might be good to include April, too. SashiRolls ^{t · c} 18:03, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reactions

Maybe the non-reactions of neighboring countries Morocco and Tunisia could be mentioned in the International Reaction section. ^[1] Bg67213 (talk) 15:53, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Maybe Egypt too. A good ref on el-Sisi talking about the protestors in English surely exists. But have any journalists/op-editors anywhere puzzled out why he wanted his referendum done so quickly?^[2] SashiRolls ^{t · c} 18:20, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Daou, Marc. "Tunisia and Morocco quietly 'uneasy' with Algeria's popular movement". france24. Retrieved 6 May 2019.
^ Arianna Poletti; Wided Nasraoui (4 April 2019). "Démission de Bouteflika : entre réactions occidentales et silence arabe" (in French). Retrieved 6 May 2019. Dans la presse égyptienne, proche du pouvoir, la démission de Bouteflika reste ainsi relativement peu évoquée. Aucune référence n'a par exemple été faite au sujet des manifestations qui bouleversent le pays depuis le vendredi 22 février.

Casualties

The number of deaths could be specified in the Rioting section and English sources could be used to improve the reliability of the statement. ^[1] Bg67213 (talk) 16:02, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Shehab, Khan. "Algeria protests: Son of former prime minister dies in anti-government demonstration". The Independent. Retrieved 6 May 2019.

Dubious

I put a 'dubious' tag on the Result that there's a government of national unity preparing a new constitution. The hundreds of thousands of protestors don't seem terribly convinced by the "government of national unity", which they consider to be the old system. Boud (talk) 01:14, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 17 July 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. (non-admin closure) Adumbrativus (talk) 19:28, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hirak (Algeria) → 2019–2021 Algerian Revolution – It’s a more natural-sounding title and plus is much more common and it maintains the WP:NPOV. WikipedianRevolutionary (talk) 13:40, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Hirak is the common name. M.Bitton (talk) 13:48, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Infobox

@M.Bitton The source in the infobox obviously points out that the Second Arab Spring is the correct name! WikipedianRevolutionary (talk) 16:58, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed it because it's nothing more than someone's opinion. The Algerian Hirak was not part of any other movement and anyone who suggests otherwise better bring reliable sources that prove that it is. M.Bitton (talk) 17:03, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Second Arab Spring is not a movement. It was a wave of protests, just like the first one! WikipedianRevolutionary (talk) 19:04, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The purpose of the Infobox is to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article. This Algerian Hirak started for a very specific reason (covered in the article) that has nothing to do with any other country, movement, ethnicity, colour, season or whatever else some in need of a cheap story could come up with. M.Bitton (talk) 16:47, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@WikipedianRevolutionary — There is a discussion at WP:RSN over the removal of the sourced information from the infobox, it can be found here — Hirak (Algeria). Your input is welcome. Thanks. Isaidnoway (talk) 01:58, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Daou, Marc. "Tunisia and Morocco quietly 'uneasy' with Algeria's popular movement". france24. Retrieved 6 May 2019.

[2] Arianna Poletti; Wided Nasraoui (4 April 2019). "Démission de Bouteflika : entre réactions occidentales et silence arabe" (in French). Retrieved 6 May 2019. Dans la presse égyptienne, proche du pouvoir, la démission de Bouteflika reste ainsi relativement peu évoquée. Aucune référence n'a par exemple été faite au sujet des manifestations qui bouleversent le pays depuis le vendredi 22 février.

[3] Shehab, Khan. "Algeria protests: Son of former prime minister dies in anti-government demonstration". The Independent. Retrieved 6 May 2019.

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