Talk:Hot wiener

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COI

Many attempts have been made to modify this page by a user with an admitted Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest ("I am the grandson of the founder of the New York System," see History page). I can't find any source or citation to attribute the invention of the NYSW to Gust Pappas or ONYS on Smith Street. Without a source or citation, these edits are very likely COI and have been reverted. If you have a citation or source, please discuss here before adding to article again. skeeJay (talk) 19:52, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Please bear with me as I try to figure out Wikipedia's systems. I researched and wrote the article "Whence Came the First New York System." I looked very carefully through Providence city directories for the years 1901 through 1934 in an attempt to pin down the very first use of the phrase "New York System," and found it first appeared in 1931 when Gust Pappas opened his restaurant at 424 Smith Street. Similar names were in use previously, however: New York Quick Lunch & Oyster House at 17 Dorrance (1901); New York Quick Lunch & Restaurant at 91 Orange (1910); New York Restaurant at 86 Chestnut (1922); New England System at 29 Eddy (1924); and Coney Island System Lunch at 653 Westminster (1925). So pending the discovery of an earlier reference, I believe Gust Pappas should be credited with coining the exact phrase "New York System."Cscm (talk) 15:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

The way it was explained to me when I worked for Gust (the grandson, not the original!) at Smith Street was that his grandfather called it the NY System because of the short order grill style set up that they had, which was considered to be a NY City style of restaurant. They sold hot wieners there, and folks started to call them "NY System Wieners". According to the stories, many other Greek immigrants (allegedly incuding some of the Pappas realtives) went and opened their own establishments around RI, and called them "NY System Hot Wieners". I don't think I ever heard Gust claim that his grandfather invented the hot wiener. I believe it was a coney island dog from NY City, with a few (very tasty) modifications. As far as "up the arm", well, we all know that the health department doesn't allow that, although I saw Norm make 30 at once, on one arm! I could only do about 12 at a time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.167.255.152 (talk) 13:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Not "only in Rhode Island"

Come on people. Besides EATS in Seekonk, Ma the exact same dog is served up at Greek-American owned places throughout Maryland, eastern PA, western NJ and parts of western NY. They are called variously Texas Weiners, Dallas weiners and Texas Hot weiners. The only thing different in RI is the name. 68.224.206.219 (talk) 21:46, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

The Texas hot dog does have its own article, but I'm not familiar enough with it to know if the two recipes are similar enough to be the same article. In terms of Template:Hot dog variations, often it seems as though geographic distinction is enough to warrant separate articles. Are you suggesting the two articles be merged? skeeJay (talk) 16:56, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Not merged but a mention and link should be in both articles. Also, the article should be amended to reflect that the NY System dogs are sold in SE Mass., most prominently at EATS in Seekonk. I say that especially because of the Urban Legend that the weiners are somehow of inferior quality and illegal outside RI. Not so. If no one has an objection I will make the changes next week. 68.224.206.219 (talk) 18:28, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

"The traditional New York System preparation involves a bizarre ritual wherein the cook balances a series of buns along his forearm and adds the toppings with his free hand"

Is it just me, or is the use of the words "bizarre ritual" a little unencyclopedic? 76.24.115.139 (talk) 10:02, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm looking at a version of the article with changes per this discussion already implemented but I don't see that it says "only" in Rhode Island anywhere. Is the objection that it's identified with Rhode Island in particular (i.e. that it should be "Rhode Island and Southeastern Massachusetts cuisine?" It seems all that's important is the origin and where it's popular with maybe a brief general statement that it has since been adopted elsewhere, but are you saying these other places in e.g. Maryland are just as old/older? --Rhododendrites (talk) 19:16, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Reviving this but the issue is really that it only mentions Rhode Island restaurants in the history of the system, while there are restaurants much older than those in New England, like Coney Island in Worcester, MA which has been in business since 1918. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.108.84 (talk) 09:11, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Rewrite

Hello, I just went through and did some rewriting/organizing:

• moved list of components to the preparation section
• added a history of New York System restaurants section -- I wouldn't be opposed to renaming this if someone has a better idea. the point is to address the new york system name while at the same time clearly differentiating these from other products
  • "famous locations" seemed an improper heading for an article about pointedly local cuisine and brings it too close to advertising.

--Rhododendrites (talk) 19:08, 28 May 2013 (UTC)