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Needs references.Inge 19:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

Google books name results in favour of "Hristofor Žefarović" (55), and not "Hristofor Zhefarovich" (25). Also the case in modern sources. Also the case at scholar (15 vs 2).--Zoupan 07:47, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure you're using the proper settings. I get 6 and 3 respectively. Also, do we really need the diacritics? They are practically unreadable for non-Serbian speakers, which make the vast majority of en-wiki users. --Laveol ^T 09:55, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the non-diacritic version of the name gets more mentions on scholar - 11.--Laveol ^T 09:58, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we really do need diacritics, as the common name includes diacritics. If you review both the Gbooks and scholar hits, you'll understand that most if not all are with diacritics (only omitted in search results). Here are the Gbooks:

"Hristofor Zefarovic" (90), "Hristofor Žefarović" (35) = 125
"Hristofor Zhefarovich" (21)

"Unreadable"? All characters are viewable.--Zoupan 23:29, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unreadable as in "No native English speaker knows how those letters are pronounced." Why don't you provide the links for those searches? --Laveol ^T 09:59, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, wait, wait, the numbers you've provided actually support the non-diacritic version. 90 hits for "Hristofor Zefarovic" (which is the non-diacritic version) and just 35 for the one including diacritics. So the most popular version on both scholar and books is the non-diacritic one. Hence, why move it to the present title? --Laveol ^T 10:06, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, you are wrong. I told you "If you review both the Gbooks and scholar hits, you'll understand that most if not all are with diacritics". I have no time going through each result, but just take a look at the first page of "Hristofor Zefarovic" (searching without diacritics): Žefarović, Žefarović, Žefarović, Žefarović. Do I need to explain once more? The results are in fact with diacritics.--Zoupan 19:18, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is good to explain more. Just look at what you wrote above. Judging from it alone, and with you reluctant to share the searches, it is impossible to know what you actually menat with it. And still, your results do not add up. Sure, Google books does seem to deliver the diacritic version when searching for the non-diacritic one, but are you sure you are actually looking for sources in English? Try searching for English-language once only. You get 18 results for Hristofor Žefarović, 52 for Hristofor Zefarovic, 5 for Christofor Zhefarovich, and an impossible to determine number, showing as 602, but actually 27 for Hristofor Zhefarovich.--Laveol ^T 11:26, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But again, if one has to dissect the results for "Hristofor Žefarović", one will notice at least one result that is in Serbian and at least a couple that do not actually include the query, such as Cramton's Concise History of Bulgaria and "Guns for the Sultan". If one has to take the same approach to the results, as I took towards those for Zhefarovich (removing those that do not explicitly include the query), we are down to about 10 results. It is a bit more awkward with the non-diacritic version where we have a dozen or something non-English results (despite the search being set for English only). And yes, they do include various version of the name, including Hristofor Zefarovic, Hristofor Žefarović, and even Hristofor Zefarović.--Laveol ^T 11:40, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A tip, always use "-llc -wikipedia" when searching (the hits for "Hristofor Zhefarovich" include at least 9 wiki-mirrors). The English-language sources, and sources overall (interestingly, including some Bulgarian ones) favour the use of "Hristofor Žefarović", period.--Zoupan 12:46, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is google books, not google proper. Could you be kind enough to provide me with the links to your searches or am I to tak that there is a reason you don't want to?--Laveol ^T 12:56, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. You really don't stop? I say, once again, that the Gbooks hits favour "Hristofor Žefarović". The Gscholar hits has 16 vs. 4. This is the last comment I will make on this.--Zoupan 13:37, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The constructive approach once again, hey. What is the problem with posting the links to the search? --Laveol ^T 14:26, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]