Talk:I'm Tee, Me Too

Page issues: Trivial info and fan POV

Hello! I would like to point out some issues in this page, particularly the inclusion of trivial, unverified and fanbase-related information. In my opinion, they make the article unencyclopedic and they do not warrant inclusion. They are:

• a lengthy table of musical pieces in the Soundtrack section. These are NOT part of the drama's official soundtrack (OST) and, thus, does not warrant inclusion in the article. I actually wonder if these musical pieces really appeared in the drama. Still, verified or not, they do not warrant inclusion since they do not belong to the OST.
• Meaning of the "Tee's" subsection. This could be included as footnotes (a legit Notes subsection) but not as part of the article body.
• Connection to the leads' previous works subsection. This subsection is written from a fan's point of view and makes the article unencyclopedic.

—Nairb.Idi9 (talk)

Hi @Nairb.Idi9: I am responsible for all the 3 parts of content you challenged. I am still new in WP editing and would appreciate suggestions. Please hear through my justification of the content and help improve.

• Soundtrack. I followed the corresponding section from SOTUS: The Series, which was originally created almost single-handedly by Evan Weinstein. I also doubted if those pieces in that list actually appeared in the series, which led me to verify piece by piece and resulted in the list in today's form. The list's original form before my contribution can still be found in the Japanese version of SOTUS: The Series. The most important difference is the added verifiability, with every piece verifiable from the series itself. The same verifiability is present in this article. If additional verifiability is needed, we can add external links to the pieces like how 2gether: The Series does with the Scrubb song list. As for the argument that the tracks do not warrant inclusion just because they are not part of the official soundtrack, I would like to offer my angle. While high-budget dramas and especially movies exclusively use originally produced tracks as background music, most Thai mini-series like the subject of this article do not enjoy such luxury and rely on licensed tracks. Therefore, these licensed tracks ARE equivalents of the OST of other more serious works (btw OST stands for "original soundtrack", not "official soundtrack"). I think this is also the reason why Evan Weinstein created the soundtrack list for SOTUS: The Series in the first place.
• Meaning of the "Tee's". The suggestion to move it to footnotes sounds reasonable. I need some time to learn how to do it though. Other editors may help on this.
• Connection to the leads' previous works. The content in the subsection is fully sourced from published sources, so I am confused why it is considered fan's POV. The connection between this series and the previous works by the leads is very widely recognized and also officially promoted. @Emperork: once suggested in my talk page that the content may be included in a new Production section. Would that be a good alternative?

--Luminoxius (talk) 09:17, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi everyone! I did spoke w/ Luminoxius on this on his talk page but I was not able to make a follow-up since I was working on several articles. Anyways, I did raise concerns of these additions. I'll just elaborate this here further:

• Soundtrack — I did try to review WP:MOSTV#Lists of featured music or song lyrics but it doesn't specifically talk about original soundtrack. However, with regards to 2gether: The Series, I can recall that Nairb.Idi9 raised this on the article's talk page to which I responded. The Scrubb songs were added for the reason that, even if it was not part of the tv series' original soundtrack, the songs had a correlation with the series' character and the novel's author. However, the "background music" listed here and also in SOTUS: The Series doesn't seem to have any correlation other than being used as a "background music". This MAY fall as an indiscriminate collection of information. I did some clean-up w/ the SOTUS article before but I did not get through the soundtrack part that time.
• Meaning of the "Tee's" — Convert to footnotes under Notes sections similar to what has been done to similar articles such as 2gether: The Series and The Shipper.
• Connection to the leads' previous works — The way it is written may fall under WP:FANCRUFT. Indeed, the tv series does put together what is so-called the "holy trinity" (on a fan's POV), but this should be rewritten. A better source is also needed for this one and as I did suggest, it can be placed under a Production section to talk about how the tv series was created to gather these so-called "couples" (if there is such article mentioning it on the aspect of its production). I still view however the "connections" of Krist-Singto and Off-Gun in the series with their previous series as WP:ORIGINAL as the reference cited is merely a review and doesn't come from the side of the producers of the tv series.

— Emperork 🐋🐰 23:05, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Emperork, thanks for picking up the discussion! I think it is clear now that the Meaning of the "Tee's" section is going to footnotes. The Connection to the leads' previous works section may be removed for now and, when proper sources are available, reassembled into Production (for the choice of the lead actors) and Reception (for opinions from reviews) sections. As for Soundtrack, I respectfully disagree with how background music is considered as not having any correlation with a series. Both Primetime and Daytime Emmy Awards have categories dedicated to music direction and composition (like this one) which recognize the production and implementation of background music—not original songs—used in series and others. The difference may be that the tracks used in the subject of this article are not original for the reason I mentioned (aka budget). The tracks, however, are hand-picked by the production team and serve the same purpose with the OST of any Emmy awardee: to enhance engagement. The way the list is structured also provides context to avoid being just a list of featured music.

--Luminoxius (talk) 08:00, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@Luminoxius: Thank you for understanding my concern. I also understood your point and I know you did it in good faith. It's just that we need some fixing of the page to make it encyclopedic. (By the way, thank you also for correcting me about the term OST. I mistakenly replaced "original" with "official," I just noticed it when you pointed it out.) Also, thank you Emperork for the additional clarification on this matter. —Nairb.Idi9 (talk)