Talk:iPad Pro (2nd generation)

Requested move 25 May 2021

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. After much-extended time for discussion, there is no consensus for a move at this time, and in fact a consensus against the proposal. BD2412 T 03:02, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

– consensus at Talk:IPad Pro Andibrema (talk) 17:08, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). — Amakuru (talk) 08:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All contested, one of the moves performed was already reverted. Generally speaking naming them like this is not helpful and goes against the official product naming from Apple. —Locke Cole • t • c 05:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, no notice was given at the talk pages for these articles, and the entire naming scheme for all iPad Pro articles was being discussed so clearly it's controversial. I've informed the editor at their talk page that the moves are contested and that consensus was not correctly established. —Locke Cole • t • c 18:39, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See further discussion at Talk:iPad Pro § Proposal to rename the generations

Support; obviously, the reason "consensus at Talk:IPad Pro" was given because the move wasn't possible due to technical reasons. Here's my initial reasoning from that discussion:

Apple, unfortunately, only counts generations within each iPad Pro size. For example, the current iPad Pros are the iPad Pro 11-inch (3rd generation) and the iPad Pro 12.9-inch (5th generation). Terrible, I know. However, I do not think that Wikipedia articles on the iPad Pros should contradict this, especially because there are few precedents where sources actually counted iPad Pros as "generations", potentially for this very reason. Therefore, I propose to rename the generations and move (rename) the pages. My suggestion would be to switch to yearly designations ("iPad Pro (2021)"), which is relatively common - but feel free to put forward your own ideas! Andibrema (talk) 13:23, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose fails WP:CONSISTENT, see iPad Air (4th generation), and basically every other iPad article name. —Locke Cole • t • c 16:55, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. Something needs to be changed, but I don’t think this is the solution. I think each article should note in the lead that the 11 inch (or 10.5 etc) models are marketed as such, at least for now. I think merging (or splitting) could be in order, but that’s a very different discussion.

I also strongly oppose the DAB of “(2015/2016)” and I would far prefer “(2015 and 2016)” per WP:AND if this discussion closes against my more general opposition. — HTGS (talk) 00:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HTGS: see Talk:iPad Pro for additional discussion, this RM was a bit premature IMO. —Locke Cole • t • c 01:18, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Locke Cole. I believe this RM was malformed and misleading (claiming consensus), but not inappropriate. Consensus was not found, but there is nothing to stop anyone from listing a formal move proposal. My opposition stands. — HTGS (talk) 01:34, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Strongest Oppose.Wingwatchers (talk) 01:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Alternate way to address 11" generation names?

I'm not trying to re-open the move proposal, but these pages need a prominent note about "generation" names for the 11" models. I have an 11" iPad Pro and when I go to the Settings app under General->About the Model Name is listed as "iPad Pro (11-inch) (2nd generation)". I had to look at a couple of pages before I could figure out that I needed to visit the iPad Pro (4th generation) page to figure out what processor I had or the year it came out. CollectionSphere (talk) 14:07, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]