Talk:ISO 639 macrolanguage

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Merge proposal[edit]

There are way to many individual pages for ISO-639 macrolanguages that are destined to be stubs. I propose that they be merged to this page and the ISO 639 macrolanguage category deleted. Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 20:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I would agree to a merger of all the stubby individual ISO-639 macrolanguage pages to here, provided:
  1. we get rid of the table and replace each of the table line item into a section
  2. incorporate all information about each the macrolanguages and their quirks that may already be in the current individual pages (if any)
  3. the page retains a cohesive look from section to section
CJLippert 21:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 22:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Has my support as well. — Zerida 00:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
OK, they're merged with a basic boiler-plate language for each and every section, unless there was something there in the original stub page, then the boiler-plate language was modified just a bit to carry whatever that was in the stub page to here. I'll let someone else develop rest of the article from here on. CJLippert 22:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm impressed, and releaved that someone else did what I proposed. Thanks a lot, CJLippert! 00:19, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

ISO 639-2/B and ISO 639-2/T[edit]

The mention of “elements that have two ISO 639-2 codes“ (fas, msa, sqi, zho) in section Types of macrolanguages seems misleading: those four (macro)languages have two ISO 639-2 code elements because there are two sets of codes in ISO 639-2, bibliographic codes (ISO 639-2/B) and terminology codes (ISO 639-2/T). Most codes are the same in both sets, but some differ, as the four aforementioned ones, but this has nothing to do with their status as macrolanguages. Other languages have different codes in ISO 639-2/B and ISO 639-2/T that are not macrolanguages in ISO 639-3 (e.g., Armenian is arm/hye, Basque is baq/eus, Czech is cze/ces, etc.). Arthur (talk) 11:00, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Agree, so I removed that line. The fact that these four macrolanguages happen to be ISO 639-2/T codes, and thus also correspond to 639-2/B codes, is not relevant to their status as macrolanguages. I didn't attempt to reclassify these four codes into other types, because the categories apparently overlap; before they added up to 62, now to 58, but the first paragraph says there are 56 total. Actually, I'm not sure how helpful that categorization is, and it smacks of WP:OR, but I'll leave it to someone else to decide whether to eliminate the list entirely. AlbertBickford (talk) 21:53, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Hindi languages[edit]

Isn't Hindi in the inclusive sense of Hindi language (Hindi belt) a macrolanguage? LADave (talk) 19:13, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Hindi might be considered a candidate to be classified as a macrolanguage in ISO 639. However, to be precise, the term "macrolanguage" is really only meaningful relative to the standard. In 639-3, Hindi is classified as an individual language, not a macrolanguage. The reason, I assume (I could be wrong), is that there are no other individual languages in the standard that are ever considered to be dialects of Hindi. Whether that is the right way to handle Hindi is open for debate, and if you disagree, you always have the option of submitting a change request to ISO 639-3. But to be successful, you'll first have to demonstrate that there are at least two individual speech varieties that are under some circumstances considered to be separate languages and under other circumstances considered to be dialects of Hindi. That may require also making proposals to introduce those other individual languages into the standard. This, I suspect, would require a fair bit of work. Also, I believe the reason the concept of "macrolanguage" was introduced in ISO 639-3 was to maintain compatibility with ISO 639-2; I suspect there may be reluctance to add many more macrolanguages to the standard. AlbertBickford (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Formatting glitch in section "List of macrolanguages and the individual languages"[edit]

There is a formatting problem in the section "List of macrolanguages and the individual languages". All the numbered lists of languages under each macrolanguage do not appear on the same line as the number. This appears to be because of the use of a template to cite the individual language code. Since I don't understand how the template works, I don't know what is causing this. Can it be fixed? AlbertBickford (talk) 21:22, 21 January 2015 (UTC)