Talk:Illinois Terminal Railroad

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A map of be routes would be useful. Kdammers (talk) 07:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Streamliners

Folks, if we're going to have this edit war, we should have it at Streamliners (Illinois Terminal Railroad). When I wrote that none of my sources discussed a connection with the Electroliner, aside from the fact that the St. Louis Car Company built both. Middleton makes no such connection in The interurban era, despite discussing both in the same paragraph:

The noteworthy interurbans produced by St. Louis are almost too numerous to mention. Among the most recent were the two extraordinary 85-mile-per-hour streamlined Electroliner trains built for the Chicago North Shore & Milwaukee in 1941, and the three post-World War II electric streamliners for the Illinois Terminal Railroad, which were the very last interurbans built.
— William D. Middleton, The interurban era, ^[1]

If Schafer makes that claim in the 2003 issue of Classic Trains, then it should probably stay in. I don't have access to that article at the moment. Given the way the source was added, I'm not confident that it does. Mackensen (talk) 15:13, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Middleton, William D. (1961). The Interurban Era. Milwaukee, WI: Kalmbach Publishing. p. 420. ISBN 978-0-89024-003-8. OCLC 4357897 – via Archive.org.

To further my point that there was very little design "DNA" shared between the streamliners, and the Electroliners, lets look at some known facts: Electroliners were articulated, Streamliners were individual cars; Electroliners were carbon steel, streamliners were "fluted aluminum"; Electroliners were built to Chicago L clearances, and ran quite successfully there, while the streamliners were built to IT's greater width, and had difficulty with street running and terminal trackage; Electroliners had Westinghouse electrical gear, Streamliners had General Electric; the Electroliners had a curved front end, the streamliners had a sloped, flattened "Coal scoop" shovel nose; Electroliners were double ended, the streamliners were single ended with an Obs car on the rear. As I stated in my original edit summary, the main similarities are builder, track gauge, and voltage, which were shared with almost every other St Louis car company product73.211.142.174 (talk) 17:05, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Middleton, William D. (1961). The Interurban Era. Milwaukee, WI: Kalmbach Publishing. p. 420. ISBN 978-0-89024-003-8. OCLC 4357897 – via Archive.org.

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