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Good faith prod placed on this article - fair enough, he's not amazingly famous outside Wolverhampton. However, there are several sources that are reliable and independent chronicling him, and the fact that his obituary made the front page in the biggest-selling regional evening newspaper in Britain asserts it per WP:N, I think! Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 23:43, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

When Midlands Today reported his death, they made a number of factual errors that call into question the source of the SS allegations. They said that the SS was a corps of the German army, but neither of these things are true (the SS was not a corps but rather a division of the Nazi party, and was independent of the army). They said that it was very rare for non-Germans to achieve "high" rank (Fred was said to be a staff-sergeant, not exactly a "high" rank), but the very opposite is true - the SS recruited hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans as the war progressed. Until the facts are out it seems very unfair to vilify the memory of a local icon, especially now that he is in no position to defend himself. TharkunColl 12:09, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of whether it's unfair, we should at least mention that there's been speculation. The most reliable source we've got mentions that he was involved in the war , most likely as a british fighter, however, if he was repatriated to England... Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 16:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I should also add that the SS was a part of the German armed forces, so although it was separate to the Wehrmacht, it was still a part of the German land army. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 19:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

Mr. Stawinoga would qualify as a local celebrity, to be sure. However, when I lived in another location in England in the mid 1980's, I (and many others) was aware of his existence (though I didn't know his name). With this in mind, he seems at least to have some 'national' presence in Britain (and perhaps other countries). Does this not give him sufficient merit to be represented on Wikipedia? There are many quasi local celebrities already represented on Wikipedia (including local tv personalities, notable car dealers and the like). I don't see Mr. Stawinoga as being any less notable than these. Posthocergopropterhoc 18:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to see the AfD, commenting here won't have any affect! Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 19:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Leonowicz' claims

Should Leonowicz' claims be included in this article. According to the press reports Leonowicz was just repeating what he'd been told by others. This hardly meets the Wikipedia criteria for being a reliable source. The claims are also conflicting, Stawinoga was at various times in the SS and in the Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers! Unknown Unknowns 14:58, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First name

Is "Josef" actually the name that was used by him? There is Józef name in Polish, but not Josef, so maybe this should be corrected? Tigrisek (talk) 21:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, "Josef" is the spelling that's used in the references, so changing it would be speculating. It's possible that the spelling was at least partially anglicised when he moved to the UK. --RFBailey (talk) 22:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, but it's quite possible that some journalist had written it as Josef since he didn't know how to spell it and then all the rest simply repeated it without verification (note that all the references are from media). If this is true (which is not that unlikely), then I think that this person's proper name should be mentioned. Tigrisek (talk) 18:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Polish media reported his name correctly as Józef. Ausir (talk) 10:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Place of birth

Mr. Stawinoga does not born Kórnik, He was born Krążkowy - Kępno County

[1] (Article about this there:)

WP.pl is one of popular portal in Poland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.199.31.18 (talk) 21:32, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SPAM?

The BBC1 programme Heir Hunters featured Fraser and Fraser's search for heirs to his estate which had been listed on Bono Vanacantia on 21st July 2008. They found the family in Germany but they were already making a claim themselves.

I worded it that way because the programme did not do an investigation, they filmed the company who did do the investigation so it seemed accurate to describe it that way. I suppose it could be worded "featured a probate research company's search" if someone is sensitive about mentioning company names. --jmb (talk) 08:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This was the second time that a reference to Fraser & Fraser has been added to this article, see the edit on 1 July 2008. Wikipedia has strict rules prohibiting promotion (etc). Unknown Unknowns (talk) 12:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can we please delete this novelty article.

FFS it's an article about a dead tramp. This is not encyclopedia worthy content. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 09:58, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You think homeless people are worthy of "FFS"? "Dead tramps" are people too. He's a notable, newsworthy and unusual person, principally because of his following while was still alive. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:29, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

His following, by a few people, in one specific area. I'd never heard of him. This is a lame novelty article, about someone who in the grand scheme of things, did nothing important, and his claim to fame was being a tramp. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:56, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your personal knowledge, or ignorance, has nothing to do with it. Please take your offensive and demeaning comments elsewhere. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

BBC coverage? Telegraph obit? This is how we measure notability, and rightly or wrongly, he met it. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:07, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Don't take things so personally, Martin. You are free to ignore my comments, anytime you wish.

I'm sure that he meets notability criteria when you look at the sources, however I view the desire to build an encyclopedia to be more important than putting in every novelty dead tramp that is featured in the media. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 11:43, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I did look at the sources, thanks Cowboy. And how many "novelty dead tramps" did you have on your list? I'll ignore your comment so much, that I won't even reply. And I don't even live in a tent. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:31, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Ackerman Berry, a tramp so novel that I remember the publication of his autobiography from forty years ago. No problem, Wikipedia got to that one last week. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:30, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]