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Quote?

The quote "confused Wyoming ranch [kid]" who finds himself in a personal sexual situation he did not forsee, nor can understand" is used in both the Jack Twist and the Ennis Del Mar articles. Could someone clarify which character this quote is referring to? 72.66.102.17 21:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Admittedly, I haven't read through the cited reference again, but if memory serves me Proulx was talking about both characters; the actual quote is the two were "confused Wyoming ranch kids," hence, the quote has been singularised here, and at the Ennis del Mar article, to "confused Wyoming ranch [kid]." --G2bambino 15:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Categorize sexual orientation criteria

IMO sexual orientation should reflect either self identification or dominant behavior. Both Ennis and Jack denied gay self identification in the film. The film portrays more women in Ennis' life and more men in Jack's life but neither makes an obvious dominant sexual behaviour choice as Ennis drifts towards asexual and Jack never leaves his wife. I'm removing Category:Fictional gay men pending futher discussion. Conrad T. Pino 05:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you remove Fictional gay men from their category sections, then you should remove Fictional bisexuals, seeing as neither claim to be bisexual, and just as many film critics have stated that they are gay. Flyer22 06:05, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I tend towards agreeing with your assertion. A person's story told by themselves must be honored as doing less is profoundly disrespectful. A person's story told by another is valid only if based on observable and preferably verifiable behavior. Applying a label to another based on interpreting behavior is inherently subjective and why I find critics' assertions less than persuasive. I suggest that heterosexual, bisexual and homosexual (gay) are commonly used as mutually exclusive terms. Within the mutually exclusive premise "bisexual" fits best but I don't claim an excellent fit, just better than the other alternatives. I propose staying within the bounds of what we can verify with reliable sources. I also believe the story would be diminished had sexual orientation been made explicit which is why I can support removing bisexual as well. Conrad T. Pino 07:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So you're okay with me removing them from the Fictional bisexuals category, right? And letting the LGBT categorization stand as being what includes them as part of the gay (or bisexual) community? Flyer22 07:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you have my support to remove bisexual, I support the LGBT categorization and I'll help in the pursuit of additional proposals as well. Conrad T. Pino 08:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, Conrad. Thanks. It's been really pleasant talking with you. I'll weigh in further as well, as to any other editors commenting on this matter in the future. Flyer22 08:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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