Talk:John Hamon

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Did you know... that since 2001, street artist John Hamon has postered and projected his image on the buildings of Paris and 76 other cities around the world?

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Translation of quote in lead

This translation makes no sense in English. Yoninah (talk) 19:48, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:36, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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[[File:|133x150px|John Hamon by the Empire State Building, New York ]]

John Hamon by the Empire State Building, New York

... that street artist John Hamon's student ID image has been postered and projected across Paris as well as in 76 other cities and 33 countries around the world since 2001? _Source:20 Minutes
- ALT1:... that since 2001, street artist John Hamon has been prolific in postering, and projecting, his image on the structures of Paris as well as in 76 other cities and 33 countries around the world, most with a simple caption "John Hamon"? _Source:The New Yorker
  - ALT2:... that street-artist John Hamon was arrested for attempting to project his guerilla-style art on Notre-Dame de Paris?" _Source:20 Minutes

Created by Bogger (talk). Self-nominated at 11:20, 21 May 2019 (UTC). Updated 12:13, 31 May 2019[reply]

After an initial assessment, the article is new enough, long enough, does not appear to violate copyright or POV. Contains inline citations. Will continue my review shortly. Skyes(BYU) (talk) 18:28, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

QPQ appears to not be necessary. The editor has 1 DYK credit according to QPQ check.

Hook is mildly interesting, but hooks should be something shocking or unusual that would make someone want to stop and click on the link to read more. I think it would be far more interesting to mention Harmon's guerilla artistry and his arrest for attempting to showcase his art on Notre-Dame.

Perhaps something along the lines of, ... that street-artist John Hamon was arrested for attempting to project his guerilla-style art on Notre-Dame de Paris?" _Source:20 Minutes

Agree that works for me. Would I need to edit the above to propose that, or is this comment enough? Bogger (talk) 09:57, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I tagged this with DYKproblem so we can discuss the hook because I am not ready to pass the hook as is. If you can convince me that this is the best possible hook for the article, I will pass, otherwise, I really think a much more "hooky" hook can be written.Skyes(BYU) (talk) 19:27, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Added ALT1 to address the above. Bogger (talk) 11:24, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pardon my confusion, but did you intend to use the hook I presented or did you intend to use your ALT1 hook? I cannot pass ALT1, because it is too long. It needs to be under 200 characters. Skyes(BYU) (talk) 15:43, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
sorry, @Skyes(BYU) your hook is fine. Bogger (talk) 08:38, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We have agreed on ALT2. Skyes(BYU) (talk) 18:25, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Bogger: Coming to promote this, can you please clarify what the article means by "projected"? To me this means an image produced by a photographic projector, but looking at the images in the article, these look like material images on paper or card, that you would need to climb the building to put in place. Please also reformat the bare url reference in the article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:17, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Cwmhiraeth: Photographic projector, but can't find a free-image of this. Bogger (talk) 06:35, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Replacing tick. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:01, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest trimming ALT1 this way:
ALT1a: ... that since 2001, street artist John Hamon has postered and projected his image (pictured) on the structures of Paris and 76 other cities around the world, most with a simple caption: "John Hamon"? Yoninah (talk) 20:18, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Agree Fine by me. Bogger (talk) 07:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1a is fine by me too. Restoring tick. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:04, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both. I just noticed the repetition and would even trim it some more:
ALT1b: ... that since 2001, street artist John Hamon has postered and projected his image (pictured) on the structures of Paris and 76 other cities around the world?
It's great for the image slot, and the image is self-explanatory. Yoninah (talk) 10:04, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am in agreement, ALT1b is best. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:19, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But, the repetition is the point. The same picture, the same caption, used over and over for decades. It is funny that the caption is just the name of the artist. So I'd prefer ALT1a Bogger (talk) 14:39, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Bogger: it's the phrasing "most with" that sounds like it's not everywhere. Can we just write "with the caption"? Yoninah (talk) 19:09, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
so:

ALT1c: ... that since 2001, street artist John Hamon has postered and projected his image (pictured) on the structures of Paris and 76 other cities around the world, with a simple caption: "John Hamon"?

works for me.Bogger (talk) 23:00, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you sign my name there? I didn't write that. Yoninah (talk) 23:16, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah: Sorry, Copy/paste error! :( Bogger (talk) 10:56, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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