Talk:John Swanel Inskip

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Did you know... that the Ohio Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church admonished pastor John Swanel Inskip for allowing men and women to sit together at church?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 16:46, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the Ohio Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church admonished pastor John Swanel Inskip for his belief in “promiscuous sitting”? Source: Charles Edwin Jones, Perfectionist Persuasion: The Holiness Movement and American Methodism 1867–1936 (Metuchen, NJ: Scarecrow Press 1974), 11–12, https://archive.org/details/perfectionistper0000jone
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Perla Batalla

Created by Topshelver (talk). Self-nominated at 21:48, 25 December 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Almost everything checks out: new and long enough, no copyvio, good sources, QPQ done. However, the use of quote marks is ambiguous here, and it should be made clear that "promiscuous sitting" was not the good minister's language (both in the hook and the article). In other words, Inskip may have encouraged "promiscuous sitting" from the purists' point of view but is it the case that he himself unironically affirmed that what he was allowing was "promiscuous"?! I'm skeptical, based on the sources I was able to access, as well as the obvious implications behind making such a controversial remark. In any case, it would be much better from an encyclopedic POV to simply state what this "promiscuous sitting" entails, e.g. "... that the conference admonished Inskip for allowing men and women to sit together at church?", without having to borrow any loaded terminology. Cheers, KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 14:33, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi User: Kingoflettuce - "promiscuous seating" comes up in Inskip's book Methodism Defended and Explained, but (not unnaturally) he preferred to call his approach "the pew system" and often enclosed "promiscuous sitting" in quotation marks. I'll propose a couple of ALTs here; please feel free to approve the one that's clearest and most appropriate for our context.
  - ALT1 ... that the Ohio Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church admonished pastor John Swanel Inskip for his belief in what critics termed "promiscuous sitting"?
  - ALT2 ... that the Ohio Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church admonished pastor John Swanel Inskip for allowing men and women to sit together at church?

Exactly, I would argue that his use of quote marks is meant to be sardonic. He didn't "believe in promiscuous sitting", he believed that it wasn't actually "promiscuous" to let men and women sit together. So ALT2 does away with all the ambiguity and seems best to me.

Cheers, KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 20:53, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, much appreciated! Topshelver (talk) 14:14, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]