Talk:Joop Beek

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No birth or death date[edit]

Please find and add Satu Suro 11:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed[edit]

Insufficient support of assertions of the individual in Indonesian history in this article require more extensive citations from the works listed in the references.

The very nature of the self importance of somebody of this alleged influence needs to be more rigorously pursued and examined. There are no mention at all of the individual in the commonly accepted histories of the Suharto era - thus it is the task of the writer of the article to be more specific with most assertions and claims in the article.

There needs to be further addition of more detailed citations - WP:V and WP:RS require this - and the claims are so out of context with accepted historical materials - there is potential to view the claims of the subject of the article as to verge on WP:HOAX which is a serious claim to make when hoping for WP:AGF on the part of the article writer. If this article was submitted to an academic journal for review it would not even get past first base in its current form. Satu Suro 14:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of the outcome of the issue of whether the material is impossible to corroborate but only from Beeks words - the consensus among scholars (re unpublished and anecdotal sources utilised) is it is equivalent to what WP calls WP:UNDUE Satu Suro 05:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

Need to be cited correctly -

Hunter, Helen-Louise, (2007) Sukarno and the Indonesian coup : the untold storyWestport, Conn. : Praeger Security International

PSI reports (Westport, Conn.)ISBN 9780275974381 (hbk.)ISBN 0275974383 (hbk.)

If indeed Beek is cited in this book - it needs to be page number and detail.

Dutch language materials used - need citations as well - and if possible translations of the material being cited need to be offered.

Satu Suro 05:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]