Talk:Joseph Beer

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Recent edits (January 2009)

Several editors have recently made edits to this article, some which I partially undid and some which I subsequently made to conform with Wikipedia syntax and practices.

First, it seems that these editors might well be one person; such behaviour is frowned upon at Wikipedia. Secondly, they provide some reasoning for their edits on their own and each other's user pages (without signing them) instead of on this talk page; that makes a coherent discussion difficult. Thirdly, they/he/she seem unfamiliar with the Wikipedia markup language which leaves unhelpful inline links and needless red links in the article.

In detail: the recently added summary paragraph states that Beer was "a native Polish […] composer." His official biography at the Joseph Beer Foundation makes no such claim; I understand that Lemberg was part of Austria-Hungary at that time. The phrasing "had to flee the nazi (sic) invasion" seems to invite controversy, given that the phrase gives no year and that the action by the Russians in 1939 which affected Lemberg is usually described as the "Soviet invasion of Poland"; the Nazi "Invasion of Poland (1939)" did not affect Lemberg, instead, the early phase of Operation Barbarossa in 1941 did. While I realise that Beer and his family suffered greatly at the hand of the Nazis, and that such suffering must be mentioned in this article, I don't think the article should concern itself with the minutiae of German/Polish/Russian history; that's why I deliberately left out the finer details of war history in this article's original version. Furthermore, using a term like "Shoa" in that summary paragraph without a link to The Holocaust is decidedly unhelpful to readers. More importantly, the description without sources of Beer as "survivor of the Shoa" is questionable. That paragraph also states that his earlier works continued to be performed, against his will, in Scandinavia "until beginning of years 2000 (sic)." However, a later paragraph states that these works were performed until 2005. Lastly, the summary paragraph states "his two early operettas carried on being played in Scandinavia", but there are no sources for that other than Polnische Hochzeit (as Masurkka). All this leaves the summary with four sentences, the second last of which is the not very informative "… lived in a conflictually withdrawn position from the musical scene after the end of the war." I think the article would be better off without this paragraph.

There is already a link to the German Wikipedia article for Kurt Pahlen in the article — no need for a second one. Pahlen's book citation was misspelled, both here and in the German Wikipedia where one of the editors involved here added the same misspelled work. I corrected several book citations to a proper format. There is also no need for a link to the German Wikipedia article on Löhner-Beda; while the German article is more thorough in the research of his death, the English article asserts very much the same facts about his death.

Changing the pronunciation for Joseph Beer was unwarranted. I don't understand why the external link to Klassika was removed.

If edits to this article are to be discussed, it should be on this page. -- Regards, Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:12, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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