Talk:Joseph Longworth

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Did you know... that while Joseph Longworth thought that he would be remembered only as "the son of his father and the father of his son", there is today a wing of the Cincinnati Art Museum named for him?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Rlink2 (talk) 12:29, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Portrait of Joseph Longworth by Thomas Satterwhite Noble

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... that while Joseph Longworth (pictured) thought that he would be remembered only as "the son of his father and the father of his son," there is today a wing of the Cincinnati Art Museum named for him? Source: "Joseph Longworth (1813-83) often laughed “that he would never be known except as the son of his father and the father of his son,” De Chambrun wrote." - Seuss, Jeff (28 November 2018). "Our history: Longworth family influenced arts, politics". Cincinnati Enquirer. Cincinnati. Retrieved 27 August 2022.
"The new wing was named in honor of Joseph Longworth, a significant figure in the history of both the art museum and academy." - Cincinnati Art Museum: Museum History. Retrieved 27 August 2022.
- ALT1: ... that Joseph Longworth (pictured) thought that he would be remembered only as "the son of his father and the father of his son"? Source: "Joseph Longworth (1813-83) often laughed “that he would never be known except as the son of his father and the father of his son,” De Chambrun wrote." - Seuss, Jeff (28 November 2018). "Our history: Longworth family influenced arts, politics". Cincinnati Enquirer. Cincinnati. Retrieved 27 August 2022.
- ALT2: ... that while Joseph Longworth (pictured) thought that he would be remembered only as "the son of his father and the father of his son," he may be better remembered as the father of his daughter? Source: " ...Joseph Longworth, the first president of the Museum Association and prime mover toward the Art Academy of Cincinnati, who once said he would be remembered as the son of his father (Nicholas Longworth, the city's first truly rich man) and the father of his son (Nicholas Longworth II, a distinguished judge). In fact, he might best be remembered as the father of his handsome, headstrong daughter, Maria Longworth Nichols Storer... By 1886 Rookwood Pottery, founded by Maria, had established an artistic identity..." - Amnéus, Cynthia; Forth, Ron; Hisey, Scott; et al. (2008). Cincinnati Art Museum: Collection Highlights. p. 15
- ALT3: ... that although Joseph Longworth (pictured) thought that he'd be remembered because of his father or his son, he's probably best remembered as Maria's dad?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Aaron S. Watkin
- Comment: Hook 1 - my personal favorite, all sources are online. Downside is it's pushing the character limit, and although both facts are cited I suppose it could be construed as drawing a comparison that isn't in the sources. Alt 1 - Most concise and easiest to support, but least interesting IMO. Alt 2 - the source is offline, but more interesting than Alt 1 and the comparison is directly backed up by the author's statement.

Moved to mainspace by Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy) (talk). Self-nominated at 16:25, 28 August 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Nice work! I agree that the main hook is not very intriguing compared with Alt1. My preference is Alt2 as she looks like the most interesting family member. I think I might even sharpen the hook to show that he didn't even include his daughter in his estimates of memorability. (Alt3?) About the article - lots of refs in article and for hooks but some paragraphs do not finish with a ref callout - could you find a final ref for these? Neutral and no evidence of close paraphrasing noticed. I also created a crop of the image as I suggest that may add to the hookness as that beard is impressive. Ping me when ready. Victuallers (talk) 17:38, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Victuallers, thanks for the review and the crop! I think I'd like to go with Alt 2 if that's OK, Alt 3 is a little informal for me. I've gone back through the sources and added more inline citations as requested, and I've edited in a more direct mention of the hook fact as requested by Mandarax. Let me know what you think! Lithoderm 21:26, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thanks, GTG Victuallers (talk) 09:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]