Talk:Kerrang!

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Wording[edit]

"the magazine placed many glam metal acts on the cover, before completely discarding them as Grunge acts such as Nirvana arose to fame" That makes no sense... What is it meant to mean? 13-days 14:12, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

How does it NOT make sense?? The magazine put glam metal bands on the cover, then when grunge bands such as Nirvana were starting to get more famous, they abandoned the glam metal bands in favour of grunge. A process which many readers say is repeated every time a new trend comes in. - Deathrocker 09:51, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Makes perfect sense to me too, same explanation would be as Deathrocker said. --Kiand 13:56, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Haha, I'm so stupid... Sorry about that, thanks for the explanation. I changed it to "when grunge acts", which is slightly better for idiots like me... 13-days 16:59, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
dude, thats ok. it didnt make sense to me either until you changed it - Bagel7
But you comments don't show NPOV, and while you complain about the paragraph in question being 'pro-Kerrang!' your response is a polar opposite! Thumbing through old issues, Kerrang! was never a ‘glam’ magazine - there was nothing ‘glam’ about Iron Maiden or Thin Lizzy. Nor was it a ‘grunge’ magazine. Rage Against The Machine and Red Hot Chili Peppers weren’t grunge. Like any publication it merely moves with the times, but has a sense of its own history. Looking at the latest issue, it goes from Lostprophets to Anthrax to Pearl Jam to Ministry. That’s hardly “discarding acts every time a new music trend comes in” sir. superscribe

Relatively obscure in comparison Glam Metal bands such as Vain and Pretty Boy Floyd, featured on the cover while that was the popular music of the time, before grunge came in and Kerrang abandoned them (they eventually even forced Ray Zell to change the old school rocker version of Pandora to a kindergoth version, to stay with the "current trends").. today while "emo" is the fad of the moment, My Chemical Romance and Aiden are on the cover every other week, will you see nu-metal bands that were flavour of the moment couple of years ago? No chance.

Your version of the article (as I suspect you are employed by Kerrang) is POV, as it shows the magazine in a one sided light, with the paragraph added it makes it NPOV as it includes both sides... you just have to visit the boards on Kerrang's site to see what older readers opinions are of what the mag has become. - Deathrocker 23:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, firstly: Kerrang! is a weekly rock magazine and when it’s not doing list features or commemorative futures like the recent Metallica ‘Master Of Puppets’ issue, it covers what’s happening that week. You may not like the younger, poppier bands it’s covering [I]this[/I] week, but I’m sure as the weeks roll on and more metal bands start touring (like the Download Festival) the types of bands covered will change to reflect what’s going on [i]that[/i] week. Out of all the specialist rock magazines out there, Kerrang! is the broadest.
Secondly, referring to your comment “will you see nu-metal bands that were flavour of the moment couple of years ago? No chance.” That’s totally untrue. Slipknot are still featured quite heavily, as are Korn and The Deftones and I read something about Linkin Park doing a new album in Kerrang! the other week. And as for “making Ray Zell change Pandora” you are also incorrect – “old school rocker” Pandora (who still features in the comic strip as Aunty P) had a baby niece to continue on her legacy as the format of the strip changed from one panel to three or four to be more like Ray Zell’s other strip Kontinuum? (I think it was called) when that got axed.
As for “working for Kerrang!”? Unfortunately I work in IT, but you hover sound like a frustrated music hack.Superscribe 18:56, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Dude, if you believe Kerrang is the broadest out there, you really need to do some research. I recommend Terrorizer; no other magazine covers a broader range than them; from grindcore/death metal, to punk, hardcore, doom metal, and even shoegaze/dreamy ambient stuff Nimue Elderthorn

Are those nu-metal groups featured on the cover, or fill the large content of the magazine as they did while it was flavour of the moment? No.

Whether music is "poppy" or not, is totally irrelevent. Its not the same deal as with Smash Hits, where the magazine started with Alternative bands and eventually went on to cover boybands, with Kerrang its still in the overall sphere of "rock" music, but there is undeniable bandwaggon hoping concerining the subgenres that are popular at each point in time. (which you seem to want covering up, a POV action, which led me to believe that you probably wrote for the magazine or something of the like). The number of people who believe the magazine has done this is undeniable, as I said, visit the Kerrang message board.

Most of the flavour of the moment bands are playing Download Festival, so I don't see how that comment was supposed to change anything?

I can pull up a refference if needed of Ray Zell commenting on how he was forced to drop the old school Pandora, for a Kindergoth version to keep the current trend followers happy. - Deathrocker 02:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

    • Please! I'd like to see that. :)
I can find a source of him saying this:

http://www.sleazegrinder.com/flashmetalsuicideTrashOnDelivery.htm

Was it your decision to change Pandora in the '90s or were you asked to by Kerrang?

Yeah, I was ordered to 'update' Pandora to a post-grunge skatecore brat as Nirvana had become Year Zero for K! I was abused by readers for the next two years and called a 'sell out'! Someone even told me I was gonna get beaten up by a biker gang who had the original Pandora as their mascot! But, everyone loves her now, and the original (now referred to as 'Auntie P') sometimes visits. Which is sweet.

So it's confirmed. And Kerrang need a criticism section since 75% of things said about Kerrang are critical.

Agreed. You should check out the Cobalt & Calcium forums. When Kerrang compared Coheed & Cambria to My Chemical Romance (an admittedly annoying habit for Kerrang), people went ballistic. I'm pretty sure at least 90% of all Cobalters now despise Kerrang... 68.207.177.57 03:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

you guys are saying that they wouldn't put a nu metal band that was the flavor of the month before on the cover, but Limp Bizkit were on the cover very recently —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.251.255.13 (talk) 11:28, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Lack of references[edit]

This article has no outside links except to its own website, and a mention of circulation numbers from an audit, but without providing a link to a source. How do we know that any of the information in this article is real? There need to be outside references which prove this periodical's notability. --Elonka 18:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I've spent some time tracing the other articles that this one links to, and I found a long series of, well, garbage. Non-notable bios, unsourced claims, and a ton of WP:BLP violations, referring to various people (including Kurt Cobain) in a negative fashion. I've deleted a fair amount, placed citation tags on others, but help would be appreciated in figuring out just how far the blast radius goes. --Elonka 18:45, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I found quite a few references to the circulation war between NME and Kerrang! -- I've added a few - some more are not completely on topic [1] or on peoples' blogs [2] or behind subscription walls ... --Felisse 19:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this point belongs here so sorry in advance. Upon leaving Ashley Bird said on the forum of his band that he was leaving as he wanted a change, however the website has been taken down now. I do have his last editorial however where he says "This, weirdly for me, will be my last Ed's letter on K!. I'm off to find new ways of bothering people with rock music, work on the band I play in and try and see a bit more of the world. But I'm hoping you'll still see my name around the place because this is the best rock mag in the world". So as far as i'm aware the comment on him being sacked is based on no fact. On his myspaceaccount he says, "before leaving to pursue other projects. " —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.4.76.172 (talk) 22:26, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Features[edit]

I think there needs to be a list/description of the regular features which occur in the magazine each week (like the paragraph about Pandora) ...ummm yeah that's all. Mz.Kiedis 20:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Adjustments Needed[edit]

This page isn't specific enough. I think there should be more detail as to what kind of music is featured in the magazine. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.162.238.96 (talk) 00:04:04, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

examples in Kerrang TV ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?[edit]

In 2001 Emap launched Kerrang! TV. As with the radio station, the TV channel covers the more mainstream side of the rock music as well as classic rock bands like Aerosmith, Guns N' Roses and Whitesnake.- Aerosmith, Guns N' Roses and Whitesnake are typical mainstream rock bands, so how can somebody say that above????

Aerosmith, Guns N' Roses and Whitesnake are classic rock. Aerosmith have been around for ages, and G N' R and Whitesnake haven't released albums in years! -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 11:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Content Nicked[edit]

A substantial part of the content here seems to be based on http://journalism.winchester.ac.uk/?page=257 92.236.112.88 (talk) 23:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Depressingly this was still true over a year later. I've removed the most egrecious instances of lifting and added the original source. It's still a good source, though, and we should be looking to use it as a reference (without simply copying it this time). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 08:48, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Heh. Further investigation suggests that this article contained substantially the same content in January 2008, while the Winchester Uni piece is dated (through the statistics it cites) to the end of that year. I've restored the material, tagged this as a {{backwardscopyvio}}, and mailed the university. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 09:09, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Clean up commenced[edit]

Over the next little while I will be trying to Wikify this article and all associated artiles linked to it. Please be patient. - Pmedema (talk) 22:09, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Current format section[edit]

The Current Format sections starts, "Kerrang!'s first successful period came under editor Paul Rees circa 2000..."

Not sure it's reasonable to say that it took 19 years for the magazine to have it's first successful period. What's the benchmark to measure this statement against? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cronoz (talkcontribs) 21:59, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Lostprophets image[edit]

There seems to be a minor edit war regarding the image File:LostprophetsKerrang.jpg, in light of recent allegations regarding Ian Watkins it might be pertinent to use one of the thousands of other magazine covers.. any thoughts? Яehevkor 10:00, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

I was thinking this the other day. I can scan in the newish issue I have and fill in all the copyright info. Unless you have one in mind? Jonjonjohny (talk) 11:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
I've no preference either way, I have none to scan myself. Яehevkor 20:40, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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