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A fact from Khirbet Zanuta appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 August 2012 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that residents of the Iron Age village of Khirbet Zanuta near Hebron achieved a revision of the planned demolition of their dwellings by the Israeli military authorities?

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There is a picture of an old structure on SWP, p. 410; not the most interesting, but perhaps we could use it? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 00:58, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to crop and upload it. --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:46, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As usual

I've fucked up the formatting with that ref jigmo. I plead senility, and beg nursing care to clean up from the diligent youngsters here. Nishidani (talk) 12:10, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've also added two glosses to Guérin's account from Conder & Kitchener, but they don't show up, further proof of my incompetence. Nishidani (talk) 18:02, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I´m not sure what you have been trying to do here, but Conder & Kitchener sure shows up under Guérin's account. However, Guérin is not mentioned in Conder & Kitchener under Khirbet Zanuta? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 19:53, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's all Nableezy's fault - he's so clear in his explanations of what to do I can never understand them! I'm as hopeless as Mallory within 100 yards of Everest in 1924 in formatting. Guérin and C&H are separate. What I was trying to do was get the C&H formatted with that ref name thingamijig, while including note from C&H at points where Conder and co's descriptions differ from Guérin's (being more precise). I'll toss in the towel on this.Nishidani (talk) 21:28, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dauphin p.974

This is what Dauphin, 1998, p.974 writes about Kh. Zanuta:

Au sommet et sur pentes d'une colline assez élevée, ruines de petite localité. Fondements de maisons de moyennes dimensions, pierres taillées régulièrement au-dessus de caves découpées dans roc. Amoncellements de moellons. Mosquée a remployé blocs provenant d'une église (?), dont un porte lettres grecques O U. Hors de la mosquée, deux fûts de colonnes (diam. 0,46 m). Au SO, près du sommet, angle de tour antique (9, 15 x 9,15 m; ép. des murs 0.91 m): assises de gros blocs posés régulièrement, nombreux irrégulièrement taillés, mal équarris et à bossage (L. 0,31 - 0,92 m); dans mur S, pierre de taille à double bossage ( 1,08 x 0,55 m). Citernes. Réservoir (30 x 25,50 m), en partie découpé dans roc et en partie construit. Grottes avec entrées en arche. Enclos. Céramique byzantine.

References:
Guérin, Judée III, 199-200: Khirbet Zanouta; SWP III, 410-11 : Khürbet Zânûta; Records, p. 212 (XXV J y 9-7); Jud., Sam., Gol., No. 245, p. 81 (en hébreu); Bagatti, Antichi villaggi di Giudea, 96-97; Ovadiah et de Silva, Corpus Supplementum -1984, No.46, p.145; TIR. Iud. Pal., 261.

If "someone" could translate & shorten what Dauphen writes, and add that to the article, it would be great. As for the references: we already have Guerin & SWP. I don´t have Bagatti or de Silva..if someone does, its great. If not: we have a lot in any case...cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:15, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Think it goes something like:

On the summit and slopes of a hill, elevated to a degree, the ruins of a small settlement. The foundations of houses of moderate dimensions, regularly dressed stonework above caves dug from the rock. Piles of rubble. A mosque has reused blocks taken from a church, of which one bears the Greek letters O and U. Outside the mosque, two column shafts (46 cm in diameter). To the southwest, near the summit, the corner of an ancient tower (9.15 m on each side, with walls 91 cm thick): foundations of large blocks laid regularly, though many are irregularly dressed, bady hewn and unfinished (31 to 92 cm); in the south wall, stone prepared for working on both sides (1.08 x 0.55 m). Cisterns. A reservoir (30 x 25.5 m), partly cut from the rock and partly built up. Caves with entrances in the form of an arch. An enclosure. Byzantine pottery.

In Baldwin Smith The Dome: A Study in the History of Ideas, p.58 f., in a discussion of the development of domical tombs in Palestine and Syria: "Other square tombs with cruciform interiors, which are believed to have had interior domes, have been located in western Palestine at [x, y, z] ... Khûrbet Zanûtu"; in the accompanying footnote he cites Survey III.410, which you already have, plus Watzinger Denkmaler Palestinas 99 n.3, and states "at Khûrbet Zanûtu ... there is no extant evidence of dome, but it is supposed to have had one". Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 20:59, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Spotted on, lynx-eyes, covered poifectly, at a glans. Mercy, it's nice to have such varied and rapid assistance flowing in. Will review tomorrow. We'll probably have to synthesize these impressions by paraphrase. to avoid repetition, and that way, I can unpack the constipated traffic stuff-up of my C&H notes inside Guérin. Nishidani (talk) 21:35, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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To editor Taran te: In this edit you removed a sourced paragraph, falsely claiming that it is not sourced. Explain yourself. Zero^talk 09:26, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the survey also mentioned the mosque was built over the ruins of a bezantine church. Please provide full description or delete the whole paragraph. Taran te (talk) 13:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Taran te: Did you look at the source? It doesn't mention a church at all. And did you think I wouldn't notice if you added an 1735 book on China as a fake source? Now PAY ATTENTION. Read the notice on your talk page. This site is related to the Israel-Palestine conflict even according to your own edits, so until you have 30 days and 500 edits you are not allowed to edit this article or any other article related to that conflict. You are restricted to edit-requests on the talk page and nothing else. The next time you violate any of these rules, I will petition to have you permanently blocked. Zero^talk 14:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am allowed to edit this page. your claims against the editing are not substantial. please refer to the wikipedia rules. the citation i provided include a refferance to the chrisitan church. please check yourself. any attempt you make to falsely discredit me or manipulate history will be stopped by wikipedia. Taran te (talk) 16:14, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, please note that this is not related to the Arab-Israel conflict despite your claims. It is redundant to claim that every aspect of the land of palestine or israel is related to the conflict. This clearly shows from my edits. READ THIS - Please do not violate wikipedia's rules to promote your narrative. This will constitute as an unlawful conduct that may lead to your ban. Taran te (talk) 17:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "magnificent masonry" quote is not in the given source. It comes from a different source, translated from French, which is in the article already. So I'm taking it out again. As for the Israel-Palestine conflict, this edit of yours and this edit of yours are direct and obvious examples. In addition, you are perfectly aware that this location is the subject of an evacuation order on the pretext of it being on an archaeological site, currently disputed in the High Court, so the archaeology is also relevant. Besides that, your edits are often illiterate with bad spelling and invalid syntax ("12,00" is not a valid way to write a number and you aren't allowed to simply change something you don't like without providing a different source). Zero^talk 13:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My edit with wrong citation was merely a mistake. You acted so swiftly to change it that i didnt had the time to do so myself. It is quite evident that your flamboyant refferal to this mistake only show your true mission - to manipulate this article. Also, as you might have read in the court documents - there is no despute of the fact the site is archeological. the despute is about the extent of the archeological site. Also a matter needs to be addressed in this Article. I urge you not to be afraid of review, especially due to the fact most of the Article content is from one single "Journalist Source". We can amend it with the proper citations and text. I will not disappear or go away and i promise you I will do my utmost to fix this text. Taran te (talk) 05:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Everyone can make mistakes, but you cited something to a source without checking that it was in the source even though you were told explicitly that it is not in the source, and after your fake source was removed. That is disruptive editing, not a mere mistake. Also, "your true mission" is a personal attack which can also get you banned. You are your own worst enemy it seems. Zero^talk 12:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, referring to the territory of the village - you seem very fast to state conflicting statements in the text. For instance - text claims that "There are no health care facilities or pharmacies in Khirbet Zanuta and residents travel 10 kilometers to ad-Dhahiriya to obtain those services." Text also claim - "The total land area is approximately 12,000 dunams, of which roughly 3,000 are cultivated," You must be aware that 12,000 dunam is bigger than 10 kilometers. Therefore, the claim that "residents travel 10 kilometers to ad-Dhahiriya to obtain those services."? this is logically incorrect. Even if it was factually true, I contest the notion that this redundant information should get such a huge portion of the text. Given the extreme small number of people living at the site, the fact there is no hospital or pharmecy is redundant. On that spirit, one can add the fact inhabitants need to travel kilometers for a CT scanner, Cancer Center, cinema, a supermarket or an amusement park. Completely redundant information. As you know, Wikipedia moderators are obliged to impose some critical thinking. Taran te (talk) 06:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to have trouble with the difference between 2-D and 1-D measurement. A circle of radius 2km is greater than 12,000 dunams, and a circle of radius 1km is greater than the alleged agricultural area. If you have a reliable source giving different areas, you can present it here as an edit request. Zero^talk 12:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you seem to have a comprehensive problem. Dunam is not a circle. its a square. Also, this does not invoke the fact that by mentioning that - population need to travel 10km to get health care - is a REDUNDANT piece of information. This is a clear example of the moderator's attempts to manipulate this article. Taran te (talk) 10:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also - a mistake is a mistake. Your continues theats to have me banned amount to a clear representation of the moderator efforts manipulate this article for his own likings. I assure you, i will not rest until i will change all the miss information in this Article. Regardless of any threats. Taran te (talk) 10:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]