Talk:LGBT parenting

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Discredited research being added again[edit]

@TattonWest: you should know better than this. The "research" is "mentioned" exactly where it should be - a side note that points out that no one reputable considers it valid. Wikipedia does not require false balance between mainstream views and fringe views; rather, we go with what mainstream scientific research and scientific bodies say. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 14:22, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

  • The research was not entirely discredited. The journal did not retract it. There are reputable scientists supporting the research. And there are several other studies that conjoin. I find it a violation of NPOV to not mention this in the main body of article. Also, the fact that some view is mainstream (who defines mainstream anyways? what about global context?) does not mean that it is correct, and that other views should not be mentioned. I am certain that in context of Wikipedia articles any professor of a recognized university publishing in a peer-reviewed scientific journal is a credible source for including material on a Wikipedia article's page. Aside from this, American College of Pediatricians amici curiae recognized such studies. They have been published in various established medical, sociological and family studies journals. Link to the amici --202.166.79.224 (talk) 15:23, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
I would note that the ACP is a splinter group of roughly 60 to 200 pediatricians (in contrast to the AAP's 60,000), whose mission statement is explicitly grounded in faith. Including their opinion would violate one stipulation of NPOV: Equal validity can create a false balance.PotvinSux (talk) 22:47, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

I think it is important that we maintain a clear and reasonable (logically sound) approach when discussing research. An organization's mission statement, political leaning, or even bias is irrelevant when considering the value of the research. If the research was conducted with the enough due diligence, then it is valid. Otherwise we run into the quagmire where any association or research body can be reasonably construed as biased (you dont have to be biased towards faith, you can be biased against faith-based morals or ethics); this results in a scenario where all research would be equally invalid.

Therefore it is important to include all research on this topic so that we can honestly discuss the data, rather than biases. Bias, in an of itself, does not directly change data.

Nerhesi (talk) 03:04, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Nonsense. The effect of bias on the validity of studies is well documented. Shoddy researchers tend to get the results that reinforce their preconceived notions; it's called confirmation bias, and it's not uncommon. When a study's authors want their biases reinforced, they most certainly do find ways to skew the results. Whether it's faulty methodology or misinterpretation of data, it happens. Sometimes it's inadvertent, sometimes it isn't. If it isn't, then it really goes beyond a question of bias and into the realm of intellectual dishonesty. There's no way that we're going to legitimize bogus studies or junk science by giving it equal billing in an article. For the most part, we use reliable secondary sources, which are generally pretty good at differentiating bullshit from legitimate findings. RivertorchFIREWATER 06:09, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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Improve the article? This wiki project is for everyone, do not delete again please as you show your true hateful colours by doing so[edit]

One assumes that you are in favour of diversity, if so you need to have real diversity of opinions too, without hateful finger pointing (invasion of the body snatchers style now favoured by the extremists). Such as to discuss and investigate the many studies that asked the children involved if they would prefer a Mum/Mom AND a Dad or would they prefer two dads/two Moms or whatever will come in the next round of equality cravings. Maybe just ask some children yourself as many already have and maybe, just maybe the feelings, rights and futures of the children that deserve both their biological Mum/Mom and Dad in their lives will be put first, rather than the often (not always) selfish personal desires of the adults who dictate the child's lifestyle and hide behind idealogical, so called studies. Let us see just how inclusive, tolerant and diverse the article becomes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.142.202 (talk) 20:33, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

First of all, it would be polite to sign your contributions, as requested, instead of waiting for a bot to do that. Just click on the four tildes below to insert your signature; it's as simple as that. And then it would have been a good idea to follow the link Rivertorch's Evil Twin gave you (WP FORUM); it would have explained why your contribution was removed, namely for objective Wikipedia policy reasons, not because of any bias. The talk page is not for your (or anyone's) personal opinion on the matter. Finally, the suggestion you make ("ask some children yourself"), comes down to "original research" which is excluded on Wikipedia. If you think that you can add useful aspects to the article, please find a reliable source (like a published study) you can link to.
And yes, I'm perfectly fine with this being deleted together with your contribution after you had some time to read it. In principle, I should have posted it on your user talk page, but I fear you might not find it there. Please feel free to react on mine; we should not take this any further here. Sigur (talk) 19:27, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you Sigur for your eloquent reply. Fair enough, your points are reasonable and I should have taken more notice of the rules. I am new to all this and so am not so techy wiki savvy, even this time as the ip address changes every few hours. The subject is powerful, provocative and for many, very personal and to have the comment (which was intended to help improve the article as the talk page description asks) deleted off without (it appeared) any reason, one concluded the worst, which now appears wrong. Please forgive this novice and as there are more important things to worry about, let us perhaps move forward as friends, rather than enemies. We might even leave this conversation on here to show that we can and should (all) be free to disagree without being disagreeable. Kindest regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.146.167 (talk) 12:33, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

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