Talk:LGBT parenting

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Discredited research being added again[edit]

@TattonWest: you should know better than this. The "research" is "mentioned" exactly where it should be - a side note that points out that no one reputable considers it valid. Wikipedia does not require false balance between mainstream views and fringe views; rather, we go with what mainstream scientific research and scientific bodies say. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 14:22, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

  • The research was not entirely discredited. The journal did not retract it. There are reputable scientists supporting the research. And there are several other studies that conjoin. I find it a violation of NPOV to not mention this in the main body of article. Also, the fact that some view is mainstream (who defines mainstream anyways? what about global context?) does not mean that it is correct, and that other views should not be mentioned. I am certain that in context of Wikipedia articles any professor of a recognized university publishing in a peer-reviewed scientific journal is a credible source for including material on a Wikipedia article's page. Aside from this, American College of Pediatricians amici curiae recognized such studies. They have been published in various established medical, sociological and family studies journals. Link to the amici --202.166.79.224 (talk) 15:23, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
I would note that the ACP is a splinter group of roughly 60 to 200 pediatricians (in contrast to the AAP's 60,000), whose mission statement is explicitly grounded in faith. Including their opinion would violate one stipulation of NPOV: Equal validity can create a false balance.PotvinSux (talk) 22:47, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

I think it is important that we maintain a clear and reasonable (logically sound) approach when discussing research. An organization's mission statement, political leaning, or even bias is irrelevant when considering the value of the research. If the research was conducted with the enough due diligence, then it is valid. Otherwise we run into the quagmire where any association or research body can be reasonably construed as biased (you dont have to be biased towards faith, you can be biased against faith-based morals or ethics); this results in a scenario where all research would be equally invalid.

Therefore it is important to include all research on this topic so that we can honestly discuss the data, rather than biases. Bias, in an of itself, does not directly change data.

Nerhesi (talk) 03:04, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Nonsense. The effect of bias on the validity of studies is well documented. Shoddy researchers tend to get the results that reinforce their preconceived notions; it's called confirmation bias, and it's not uncommon. When a study's authors want their biases reinforced, they most certainly do find ways to skew the results. Whether it's faulty methodology or misinterpretation of data, it happens. Sometimes it's inadvertent, sometimes it isn't. If it isn't, then it really goes beyond a question of bias and into the realm of intellectual dishonesty. There's no way that we're going to legitimize bogus studies or junk science by giving it equal billing in an article. For the most part, we use reliable secondary sources, which are generally pretty good at differentiating bullshit from legitimate findings. RivertorchFIREWATER 06:09, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
You mean biases like sampling same-sex parents from high socio-economic status backgrounds, to make a claim for same-sex parenting as a whole? If we are including the flawed studies in favour of same-sex marriage, so too must we include those against it.106.68.89.48 (talk) 08:25, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Just to say, all the content on this page saying that children grown by same-sex parents have no differences with children grown by different-sex parents is fake, bacause it has been discovered recently[citation needed] that all those studies supporting that were manipulated and cheated by including a lot of heterosexual parents as homosexual parents, in a shameful move that one user above describes as "confirmation bias". On the other hand, the only two studies that weren't manipulated are the ones which discovered that children grown by homosexual parents have some problems the rest of the children don't have. The problem is that as most "studies" validate a wrong result, and they come from mainstream institutions, the wikipedia accepts that point. But why would a scientific study be manipulated to conclude that same-sex couples can grow children as well as heterosexual couples? Because scientific institutions depend on politicians, and most politicians are sold out to the LGBT lobbies. So all studies from those institutions will have confirmation bias or intellectual dishonesty and thus they should never be trusted. But I can sadly see that the wikipedia is also sold out to the LGBT lobby. 37.133.219.81 (talk) 20:58, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Children aren't "grown" by parents; they're raised. Perhaps you are confusing children with plants. RivertorchFIREWATER 18:04, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

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