Talk:Lake Doré

Please stop putting this in.

I would just like to point out that there are a lot of problems with the style of writing being used by a particular unregistered editor. I'm sure they mean well so I will attempt to explain why I have edit out their additions. I will put in some quotes from the article as an example:

A large and prospering clam population (est. 1999) has been rumored to exist thanks to the help of two keen youngsters, who shall remain nameless. ... The midsummer months are marked by the loud "FIRE-IN-THE-HOLE!" cries from the Northern Shore.

The Ministry of Natural Resources stocked the lake with Walleye around the year 1999. Since then numbers have been continuously declining and the ministry has refused to re-stock the lake. This is unfortunate as Walleye are a very popular game fish and help promote a healthy lake environment. Anyone wishing to petition the failure to re-stock and the increasing lack of Walleye in Lake Dore can contact the Ministry at (1-613-732-3661).

Lake Dore is, without a doubt, the largest fresh water lake in North America without any islands. ... Ducks are happy to be fed and this lends significantly to the natural environment. Contrary to popular belief the ducks do not cause ringworm OR swimmers-itch.

In the spring of 2006, on the Northern side of the lake, a beaver dam burst due to a deluge of rain; resulting in a dramatic change in the geological history of Lake Dore. As a result of the massive downpour “Lisk’s Spit” was formed. It is a horseshoe shaped, sandy delta, that has become home to seagulls and Bodie. Canoeing, windsurfing, walking, BBQ’ing etc are not recommended on this piece of land as the sand holds the consistency of a lugubrious quagmire.

Anyone who knows anything about Lake Dore can tell you about Sunnydale Acres. This was the popular Saturday night hotspot for locals. Dances were regularly held, bringing people from miles around to have a good time. Mac Beattie and the Ottawa Valley Melodeers were the group who played most of these dances; they are also the composers of the ever popular “Lake Dore Waltz”.

The infamous “Lake Dore Monster” makes his home on the sandy Northern shore of the lake. It has been rumored that a replica of the monster hangs in the popular “Granary” restaurant in Eganville. The one definite truth regarding the monster is that he is mostly seen after 6 Canadian beers on a Saturday night, which is the approximate equivalent to 16 American beers.

I may be wrong but this just seems like someone who lives near the lake rambling off everything they know about it. Wikipedia is not the place to referance "Youngsters who shall remain nameless" or too promote the restocking of the lake with walleye or advertise for Sunnydale acres. I'm not an administrator but I'm pretty sure that if this editor would like to re-add this information it will have to be reworded and sourced. Some of the things mentioned make very little sense (FIRE IN THE HOLE?). Maybe this is ok in some small town newspaper but this is Wikipedia!!--Matt D 15:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: "Please stop putting this in."

I would like to make the point that the style of writing for this piece is excellent, and that there is absolutely no call for someone who evidently has a very limited idea of good writing and proper spelling to criticize and complain about the way in which something is written. Of the examples seen in the discussion page, there are perhaps only two or three segments within them which could be edited or shortened. The examples cited consist of a significant percentage of the original text and to have blatant disregard for someone's contributions towards this encyclopedia by editing massive amounts of an article is completely unacceptable.

Perhaps it was not taken into consideration that the person writing this was interested in providing the reader with a collection of whimsical yet informative facts concerning the lake and its surroundings. I have read the article IN ITS ENTIRETY and this seems to be the case. I disagree with the statements made that the article must be edited so extensively. There are minor sections which could, as previously stated, edited or shortened, yet there are no faults with grammar or spelling. It is indeed obvious that whoever decided they were competent enough to edit this piece of writing has never been to Northern Canada. The article should be left as it is to promote fun and good times and laughter and summertime and freedom of expression and great things. I found the article very informative, yet also witty and light-hearted.

It is very fortunate that whomever wrote this article chose to remain, as you have said, "a particular unregistered user," as to have their work mis-interpreted, judged, then condemned in such a way is despicable. This sort of abhomination should not be allowed. Wherever and whoever you are, I’m pulling for you... we’re all in this together. It’s a truly great article, something which could come only from a Canuck, eh?

On a more technical note, I would like to highlight the fact that, as is clearly stated in emboldened letters on the “Talk page guidelines” site: “Article talk pages should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views.” I believe that this fundamental rule has been neglected. Also, the edits made to this article would certainly fall under the category of “counter-productive,” since the three “prime values” of any talk page are communication, courtesy and consideration. By editing massive amounts of the article, said editor is limiting communication of the unknown authors’ ideas. Said editor is also being most discourteous in removing 75% or greater of the original text with unjustified ruthlessness. Finally, there was NO consideration for the author’s work nor for anyone wishing to learn about “Lake Doré.”

My thoughts, in summary: "PLEASE LEAVE THIS IN."

——DavidBlithe 23:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I would like to point out that there was quite a lot of reasons to complain about this style of writing. I think that the examples I gave speak for themselves. The examples most certainly can be edited and shortened. The examples, infact have already been edited several times. If they can't be edited in a way that makes them acceptable as an addition to wikipedia then they should be edited out. These contributions have been edited out before. One may ask whom is blatantly disregarding user contributions. My removal of this info, which ws explained, was completly ignored and the text was re added with no explanation or disscussion. That is against wikipedia policy. I have made many contributions to wikipedia. You however seem to have just registered solely for the purpose of contesting this edit. I would not be out of line to suggest that you may be a sock puppet. So I find it strange that you question my competance to make edits when it's obvious (note how I use the word obvious to point out things which actually are obvious) that you have no idea what wikipedia policy is. I don't have it memorized but I at least know that this article doesn't follow it.

it wasn't lost on me that "whimsy" was a strong part of this writing style. but I ask you too think about it... does whimsy belong in an encyclopedia? Hate to sound rude but honestly, what were you thinking when you used that as an arguement? As for the information being fact. I'd love to see some referances or sources for this collection of rambling whimsy. I read the article IN ITS ENTIRETY aswell and your right. It does seem to be the case that the writer wanted to be whimsical (for more information on how this is completly invalid please begin reading this paragraph from it's begining). I never mentioned spelling and grammar as being a problem. Infact I don't consider improper spelling or grammar as a problem since there are many editors on wikipedia who constantly imporve those feilds. I don't know how being from Northern Canada matters since lake dore is in central ontario which is pretty far south for canada but I will say that I live about fifteen minutes away from lake dore. It is not Wikipedia's job to promote anything including laughter, good times, freedom of expression or great things. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Ask yourself what you would expect to find in an encyclopedia.

If you truly think that it is an abhomination that this edit occured then I'm sorry to say that this is how wikipedia works. Though your ignorance in this case is acceptable since, apparently, you've never made an edit to wikipedia before.

I do personaly feel that this writing is innapropriate. But I am not using the talk page as a platform for personal views. that rule is meant to prevent people from doing things like, as an exmple, insinuating that it is bad that the ministry of natural resources hasn't restocked the walleye and encouraging people to petition to them. Since I have made these edits previously and explained them I think there was a lack of consideration for my edits when the text was re-added. the disscussion is open If someone with more prowess as an editor (E.G. some), or a non sock puppet, or an adminitrator, want to add something constructive about how to make this article conform to wikipedia policy that would be great. Otherwise please don't try to tell me that all this whimsical light hearted stuff belongs here. Not all Canucks wanna read a bunch of inside jokes and opinions disguised as an article. Eh? --Matt D 21:01, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: "Please stop putting this in."

Hi, I just wanted to add that I loved the article too, and that David and I collaborated over the phone to write that response.  : ) My parents have a cottage on White Lake and I LOVE it there! I have never been to Lake Doré but my dad says it's just as awesome. I think the two places are pretty similar. Dave told me about this cool article on Wikipedia and how it was really great, and when I read the article, I loved it! It reminded me so much of summer and spending time at my cottage... It was awesome. When David told me it had been edited I said we had to say something, so we did.

--MeaghanS 02:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Check my contributions and tell me I'm not from northern Canada. Its great that the article reminded you of spending time at the cottage in hite lake and that your dad loves Lake Doré but that doesn't really make it valid to encourage people to petition the ministry of natural resources or to use an encyclopedia article to make cryptic referances to "youngsters who shall remain nameless". I totally get that you like to see funny, happy stuff written about the area but this isn't the place. We need facts and sourced info. you can't say that a lake monster lives on a certain shore because it doesn't. This is an encyclopedia that could hopefully be used to get descent factual info about Lake Doré. --Matt D 06:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

To whom it may concern--

It has become most evident that you are completely oblivious to the basic rudiments of the English language. You do yourself serious discredit by displaying such horrendous use of simple spelling problems and grammatical mistakes. I find it particularly interesting that someone who has such atrocious habits in simple writing can consider themselves valid to even attempt to edit a piece of writing.

The only thing which I found to "speak for itself," as you so aptly stated, would be your overall disregard for language. Are you trying to make the argument that someone who cannot even take the slight amount of time required to put a space between words, or to hit "Shift" to capitalize them, can think about correcting the work of another? I could spend my time correcting your multiple errors which occur throughout your writing, but I would rather not re-write it all. It is fortunate that there must be some people that actually have the capability to spell, hit the space bar, press "Shift," and write complete sentences who contribute and correct regularly on Wikipedia, seeing as how your writing skills would need considerable work if they were used unmoderated to write an entire article. Also, I find your failed attempts to mimic or echo the language used in my previous statements immensely amusing. Yes, not being conscientious enough to even type properly and simply expecting other people to remediate your mistakes because you are too lazy to do so yourself is truly despicable. Your mistakes in common vernacular precede you, and do not help your so-called cause for greater learning on an encyclopedia.

Another point that I must make, but should not have to, would be that the fact that I have "registered to contest the edits made to this piece" is of no concern to you. The fact remains that I find it unacceptable that you feel that you can act condescendingly towards me because you have "made many contributions to Wikipedia" and I have not. Simply because you have contributed to Wikipedia before does not entitle you in any way, shape or form to parade yourself as superior to me in terms of this discussion, that is, if you were to use rational thought. We are debating the issue of the edits in THIS ARTICLE, and your other contributions to this encyclopedia are of no consequence or relevance to this topic.

I laughed when I saw the most clear example of something that is called "circular logic." Perhaps one of those "examples that speak for themselves" will help you comprehend.

"(for more information on how this is completly invalid please begin reading this paragraph from it's begining)"

I also beg you to show me where the word "whimsy" occurs in my previous writing. It is not there.

Do you think that those that have such authority to administer this encyclopedia would appreciate your statement that says that it is not for Wikipedia to promote or support great things? It seems rather contradictory to say that a endless document that is a testament to the achievements and history of mankind (e.g. encyclopedia) does not promote great things.

I must say that your evident ignorance of the most basic and common elements of the English language predominates your arguments, which are far and few between the botched language. I have said this again for two reasons: One, for reinforcement purposes, so that eventually you will hopefully begin to understand; and two, because your carelessness towards common grammar and common sense occurs throughout your writing.

Perhaps not all Canucks would like to read about inside jokes, but the main theme of the article concerns something that happens to be more profound than mere opinions. I would hope that any self-respecting Canadian would be attentive enough to their grammar and spelling on a public domain to ensure legibility and understanding, not to mention supporting Canada as an excellent place overall, and most of all, promoting Canada in terms of 'great things.' If you had read the article IN ITS ENTIRETY, you might have noted this.

With the limited information you have, surely out of the goodness of your heart, left in the article "Lake Doré," one could not possibly even begin to learn of the nature of the lake. How gracious of you to have left the article there at all. I would like to also note that stocking the lake is not an "insinuation" stemming solely from the author.

Finally; surely you do not mean what you say when thinking that this is, as you so quaintly put it, a "sock puppet" responding to all this. I believe this is another case which speaks for itself. If you think that a sock puppet can create a cohesive and competent piece of writing such as this, or the one preceding it, it must remain true that you are of inferior intelligence and ability to a sock puppet.

Kindest regards,

——MeaghanS 00:04, 5 May 2007 (UTC) with the collaboration of Messrs. David Blithe & Wm. Johnstone

And, perhaps as an anecdote--

Not all Canucks want to read a bunch of grammatical errors and attempts at good writing disguised as a counter-argument. Eh?

Is that an anectdote? An anecdote is a short tale narrating an interesting or amusing biographical incident. So, no it isn't.

Anywho, I've responded to the rest of your post on your talk page. That is on the talk page for MeaghanS not Messrs. David Blithe or Wm. Johnstone. I just now noticed that it took three people to compose that completly irrelevant personal attack. Try concentrating on improving the article.

P.S. I like how you abbreviated Messieurs. It is oh so very, with out a doubt, impressive in it's properness. Makes everything you said, despite being rude, unconstructive, and uncalled for, seem more valid (Though it still is not unfortunatly).

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