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first woman

leona was the first ever woman two win the x-factor THAT SHOULD BE WRITTEN HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AfD (no longer in effect)

I request users not to remove or redirect this article as Leona is not non-notable as she has already recorded a debut album and has worked with professionals to create songs which can be found on the internet from which Leona has a small fanbase. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ansildrall (talkcontribs)

Please provide sources. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
She did record an album but she did not release it and was not signed to a record label. She still failsWP:MUSIC at the moment. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

they are lots and lots of people that shouldn't have wikipedia pages can we delete them also then please she did have a record deal at the time and was working on a album —Preceding unsignedcomment added by Veggiegirl (talkcontribs)

Um...the above discussion took place in late 2006: quite a long time ago. As Leona Lewis clearly meets the notability criteria now, her page won't get nominated for deletion again. Acalamari 20:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Screeching Style

It says she is known for her 'screeching style', but she doesn't screech...Tobzhooli 09:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

She's also known for her Mr Belding style. 19:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Leona Lewis won!

On December 16, 2006, Leona Lewis won The X Factor UK and Ireland series 3, and her page is no longer a redirect but a full (and legitimate) article; see it for other reasons of notability. SAJordan talkcontribs 22:08, 17 Dec 2006 (UTC).

Eh? We know that. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:31, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Noted here to avoid any unfortunate misunderstandings, such as someone who doesn't know that coming along, looking at the above AfD summary, thinking the article should still be a redirect, making it so again, and then fully protecting it from all these "vandals" who've made it a full article instead. SAJordan talkcontribs 04:25, 18 Dec 2006 (UTC).
Oh yeah, of course, cos I said she wasn't notable. Of course, at the time, she wasn't. But she is now! —AnemoneProjectors (talk) 09:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


There are a lot of unsourced claims towards the end of the article, could someone please provide references. Also, how can the single be listed (in the table) as having reached No 1 when the charts haven't even been complied yet? I know it is almost certain to, but it reads like it already has. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 21:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Following the blue "IE" link above the number "1" on the chart brings you to the Irish Singles Chart article, where an external link points to [1] — which at the moment is for the week ending 21st December 2006, and lists Leona's song at #1. So (a) it's true, and (b) it's verifiable by following the links provided. But it's good that you're alert to issues of sourcing! SAJordan talkcontribs 06:29, 23 Dec 2006 (UTC).
The comment from GW Simulations was posted before Leona reached number 1 in Ireland; someone had said on the article that she was number 1 in the UK. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:30, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, I was commenting on This versionof the article. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 12:39, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, we'll find out today if she is number one for Christmas :) —AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:01, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

British or English

It would seem there is some dispute, including a number of reverts, over whether she should be called "British" or "English". Personally, I would favour "British", however I would like to open a discussion on this before a revert war breaks out. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 21:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Problem is she is not English. In an interview she has stated her nationality as Welsh and Guyanese, but of course she lives in England so that should be taken into account. I think the only fair compromise would be British, I think that's what LEona would want. Birthplace is not everything, kinship ties are very important to most people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Caz8701 (talkcontribs) 12:19, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

My own preference would be to state her residency as "English" (more specific than "British", she's not Scottish or Welsh by birthplace or residence); but her citizenship (if it comes up) might be described as "UK"; and the overall "British Isles" would be suitable in contrast to other parts of the world — for instance to distinguish Leona Lewis and other X-Factor winners from the winners of "American Idol". I'd prefer "British singer" over "English singer", only to avoid having "English" taken as meaning the language. I've amended the entry to say "English (i.e. British) singer and songwriter", my addition boldfaced here. SAJordan talkcontribs 21:53, 20 Dec 2006 (UTC). - But she is Welsh by blood
My preference is to use "British singer", and I think I'd also prefer use of "United Kingdom" over "England", though that bothers me less than "English singer" does. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

We should follow the most common usage here on Wikipedia and most British subjects, including famous politicians, athletes, entertainers tend to be overwhelmingly identified as either English, Scottish, Welsh, or as being from Northern Ireland and not as British in their introductory paragraphs. I am going to change British to English to follow the example of most similar biographies. --Dreko 14:57, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Usage should avoid ambiguity. There is no ambiguity in "English politician" or "English athlete", where "English" can only mean "of England". The ambiguity arises with "English singer" or "English poet" or "English writer" or "English speaker", where "English" might also mean "in the English language". As singers, poets, writers, and speakers from other places may also sing, write, or speak in the English language, the meaning "of England" is not clearly conveyed. This is why the parenthetical clarification, "English (i.e. British) singer", was added — to specify the geographical rather than the linguistic sense of "English". Please allow that to remain.SAJordan talkcontribs 17:26, 21 Dec 2006 (UTC).

- but when you talk about someone being something it refers to their nationality and her nationality is not English - she is a British singer who lives in England but is of Welsh and Guyanese descent - this takes into account all dimensions of her nationality, where someone lives in not necessarily how they want themselves to be represented - she might buy a house in America are we going to start calling her an American singer?

I really think there isn't much ambiguity in use of English singer as the term is virtually never used to mean a person who sings in the English language, at least not in any media I have come across. It almost always mean a singer born and/or bred in England. The (i.e British) formulation looks a bit contrived to me. Also as i said above many, if not most, other English-born entertainers including the likes of Paul McCartney, John Lennon, and David Bowie are all labeled English singers in their Wiki bios. Shirley Bassey and Tom Jones are both called Welsh singers on Wiki although there is a living Welsh language and both of them sing in English. The chance of ambiguity seems very small, almost nonexistent, to me and I see no problem with simply using English as opposed to English (i.e British) singer, which I think looks odd. It works in many many other articles with no real issues or discussion and I would prefer it here. SAJordan let's see what others say before asking not to change it. --Dreko 20:00, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure British should be used here. She's clearly also got non-English roots, I'm sure British should be use.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by82.38.83.13 (talkcontribs) 17:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

"English" should be used, as was already stated shes English by birthplace and residence. "British" only adds to the misconception that "English" and "British" can be used interchangeably. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 19:11, 24 December 2006 (UTC) - but it adds to the misconception that people with other roots such as Welsh are "English" because all of Britain is England which is what a lot of people believe, putting British is more accurate because your birthplace and residence does not define your entire nationality and technically even if her birthplace and residence are England her nationality on her passport is still British

Could we compromise on your conflicting demands by using both terms, as before? "English" to be more specific than "British" (not Scottish or Welsh), followed by "British" in parentheses to clarify that the location and not the language is the intended meaning? Thus, "English (British)"? That way no-one loses, you're both right,both terms should be used. SAJordan talkcontribs 01:27, 25 Dec 2006 (UTC).

Fair enough, I see this as reasonable. What I do not see as reasonable, however is the use of "United Kingdom" and the picture of the Union Flag. Articles on Scottish and Welsh performers are more specific - why isn't the same happening here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by80.47.76.92 (talkcontribs) 05:53, 25 December 2006 (UTC) - but she is Welsh!!!!!!

If other entertainers or public figures of English birth and residence are marked with the English flag and not the Union Flag, then I think you've got a good case. Would you be willing to look up some examples (say, 5-10, the more, the merrier) for the rest of us to see? Then there's both evidence and a fair likelihood of consensus to support the change — a much better outcome than another revert war.

By the way, ending your comment with four tildes ~~~~ will attach your ID with the date and time of posting, which makes it easier to see who said what when, and not think different people's comments were written by the same person, or vice versa.

Registering a username also has advantages, including: names can express your personality or interests or what you want to say about yourself; names are easier than IP numbers for others to remember across posts, so you can build your rep; and you get to have a watchlist showing you updates to pages you've edited or marked "watch".SAJordan talkcontribs 09:16, 25 Dec 2006 (UTC).

I found one or two (sixteen):
I could find more? 09:51, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I think that should do it. England's flag it is — or does anyone else have countervailing evidence?
And because there's continual reversion back and forth between "England" and "UK" at other points in the article, I urge the compromise of "England, UK" to address the valid concerns of both sides... or leave both sides equally dissatisfied, whichever the case may be. Could we all accept that? SAJordan talkcontribs 22:56, 25 Dec 2006 (UTC).

No. This does't occur in other articles, it won't happen here. 22:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

So we go back to a continuous oscillation of reversions, back-and-forth between "England" and "UK", as before? See the edit history. If, instead of compromising by having both, we have only one or the other, there are always people on each side who insist that theirs will be that one. No compromise → no truce → back to the Edit Wars.*sigh* SAJordan talkcontribs 23:03, 26 Dec 2006 (UTC).

Believe me, I want this resolved as much as you (and "English" right, and you idiots who insist on UK don't deserve the right to a use a computer. I'd be less harshly blunt but this is getting on my t*ts), but unless people realise English is correct and that "UK" is not specific enough, is very rarely used, and that most articles are more specific (and correctly so), they're going to keep reverting it. Some people, eh? 23:46, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

BUT SHE IS NOT ENGLISH!!!!!! She is English by residence, she is welsh and guyanese by kinship, if she moves to america are we going to start calling her american just because she lives there? Not everyone bases their nationality on their birthplace, kinship ties are important to a lot of people. English is incorrect on every level because her nationality on her passport is British and when asked her nationality she stated "Welsh" and "Guyanese" on the Tyra Banks show - she does not refer to herself as English. Britain is the only compromise. IF WE ARE GOING TO BE SPECIFIC then English should not be put down it should read, "born in England of Welsh and Guyanese descent".

Please don't refer to people as idiots, it won't help. Can we just pick one and stick to it? English? British? Who gives a fuck? I'm sure Leona doesn't. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 01:17, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Theres probably a great deal of performers who don't care if they have articles about themselves on Wikipedia. Does that mean they should all have their articles deleted? 17:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I meant. Let's delete the whole article. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

There needs to be an official Wikidebate on whether 'British' or 'English', 'Scottish', 'Welsh', 'Northern Irish' should be used instead (not just for this article, but for all). I'm not sure which I prefer, but it's ironic putting 'English' since Leona is only a quarter English anyway. Cypriot stud

From WP:MOSBIO: Nationality (In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable. Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability.) The question is, is one a citizen of the United Kingdom, or of England/Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland? I believe one is British (though I could be wrong). — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

According to passport - it's british.

Calling someone from Northern Ireland British to their face can bring you into a world of trouble, I suggest you read the GFA. Thanks Hereitisthen (talk) 16:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Calling someone who is Welsh like Leona "English" is equally annoying - trust me I'm Welsh and a lot of other countries think that Wales is part of England that's why i think "Britain" is necessary. PEople with Welsh in their backgrounds tend to be quite patriotic about it (just watch welsh rugby matches) and Leona obviously wants the Welsh in her background highlighted as she brought it up ont he Tyra Banks show in front of millions, English wasn't mentioned at all.

Of course I knew that. British refers to Great Britain. I didn't mean to include NI when I posted that over a year ago. anemoneprojectors 16:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It's a legal question, not a personal opinion, despite what the Wikipedians would like to make it. Using 'United Kingdom' does NOT introduce ambiguity anymore than using 'Germany' or 'Italy' or 'France' or Australia' or 'Canada' or 'USA' introduces ambiguity. In terms of nationality there is no currently such thing as English, Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish nationality. If you are born in the UK you are either 'British', no matter which part you were born in, or else 'Irish' if you were born in Northern Ireland and prefer not to use 'British'. This can be legally verified, and Wikipedia needs to stop ignoring legal conventions for the UK. Wikipedia is promoting division of the UK when it does not introduce or promote the same divisions for other countries. This must stop. It is misleading and acts as propaganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by78.149.107.165 (talk) 03:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

There is a page about it now: Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom.anemoneprojectors 13:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Leona is clearly not English! She was merely born there and is of little consequence. The current trend and insistence on reinforcing place of birth as Nationality is extremely contrived and artificial.

As a compromise, 'British' is far more suitable in terms of Nationality. Anymore specific (in Leona's case) and you get mired down with connotations of race, i.e. ethnicity/genetics - so if we were to go down this route, the term 'english' doesn't play a part, you need to bring in her guyanese and welsh heritage.

I am 100% chinese but just happen to be born and bred in Wales. No one refers to me as 'welsh' nor would I want to be referred to in that way. Claiming myself as welsh sounds disengenuous and artificial.

I prefer 'British born Chinese' (if I was to be specific), But in all cases, Race is paramount, place of birth is secondary. Preoccupation with birth place should be discarded.

1 million pre-sales/orders

There were not one million pre-sales, there were one million pre-orders. That means the stores anticipate that they may need one million, and ordered that many. It's more than possible that Leona could sell 300,000 and leave the remaining 700,000 sitting on shelves. Corrected that until we know what she actually did sell. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by172.207.89.208 (talkcontribs) 01:52, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

i think the following is worthy of a mention if someone wants to add it

HMV spokesman Gennaro Castaldo told the Evening Standard: "Leona's single is already the fastest selling download in history and is now almost guaranteed to be the fastest selling single of the year.

In one day alone, 100,000 copies of the track A Moment Like This were downloaded.[2] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 22:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Uhhhh ... the fastest download in history?! Downloaded songs only arrived in the mainstream in 2006, so I wouldn't get too excited over this. Compare the figures in ten years from now .... it'll look like nothing!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by88.108.121.60 (talkcontribs) 15:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

X-factor winner, Leona Lewis has broken her third world record to become the fastest selling female performer of all time. Lewis’ single smashed Britney Spears record of 464,000 copies of her single ’Hit Me Baby One More Time.

London, Dec 30: X-factor winner, Leona Lewis has broken her third world record to become the fastest selling female performer of all time.

Her single ‘A moment like this’ reached the number one position and sold 571,253 copies in the first week itself.

"It's great news for Leona, and the song looks solid at number one for a second week," The Mirror quoted her spokesperson, as saying.

Lewis’ single smashed Britney Spears record of 464,000 copies of her single ’Hit Me Baby One More Time’.

Leona's debut song, a cover of a Kelly Clarkson ballad, broke its first record on day one, becoming the fastest selling download with 50,000 copies in the first half hour, and created its second record by becoming the best selling download over the period of a week.

I think that grants a mention.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 08:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

Language of the article

Is it possible to try and reduce the number of short sentences and try and blend them into each other using conjunctions e.g. 2nd paragrah "Leona lives in Hackney. ....etc. This may make the entry flow better grammatically -- 22:59, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Different Picture Possibly

I was hoping, not being too fussy but a different picture of Leona perhaps as not saying that she looks horrible in the one present but her face seems to be down while her hair is flying everywhere. So, if anyone can get another image of Leona that would be great. Oriana is cool 21:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, this has nothing to do with the picture but did Jamelia say nasty things about Leona?Oriana 21:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

There's three photos of Leona on flickr, this was the best one so I got permission for it to be used. I don't think it's a bad photo. It would be better if she was facing the camera but that's life. Tracking down celebrities isn't exactly the easiest thing to do. And yes Jamelia did say things. I'll see if I can find some news links. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
There are a lot more pictures of her on flickr now (many from the Leona Lewis album). It should be pretty easy to find a better one know that she has been around longer and there are more pictures of her. Take a look at theflickr search results.Diemunkiesdie (talk) 02:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I am terribly sorry about making you work but if I knew how to get these things myself I would.Oriana 19:55, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I've done a quick google news seach here but don't have time to go through the news articles. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Leona's family

Is any of the stuff mentioned here →[3], here →[4] and several other websites worthy of mention in the encyclopaedia? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

WOW!!! that's horrible!!!

        "if everybody could forgive and forget
        (just forget)
        think of all the times that we could spend
        being friends"

that's very sad...(and i'm dead serious,no kidding)


Whistle register

If I was able to source it, how would one add Leona Lewis's page to the list of whistle register singers? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Debbie33(talkcontribs).

Just add [[Category:Whistle register singers|Lewis, Leona]] to the bottom of the article. What's the source? I've removed it before because there's been no source. It could also be mentioned in the article somewhere. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Okie Doke, Still working on sourcing the information. I've read that even if someone has perfect pitch, that's not good enough as it goes against the wiki rules or something to that effect. I wouldn't be too bothered about it, but the fact that JoJo made it to the whistle register list and her own wiki page states her highest note as an E6. Leona hit this note on the X-Factor shows and it was a lot more controlled and crafted than JoJo's squeal, I've heard JoJo hit a C6 once and it wasn't even in whistle register, it was very strained - Superhead! Whereas Leona displayed notes in the early whistle register numerous times throughout the show! Maybe it's just a case of waiting for official sources to confirm this and letting her be for a while. But in my eyes, if JoJo deserves a place there, so does Leona because she sings JoJo under the table in that area of register —The precedingunsigned comment was added by Debbie33 (talkcontribs) 14:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC).
I'm sure you're right, I'm no expert so I'll trust you on that. I did a quick Google search earlier for any mention of notes she's reached but couldn't find anything. I know she reached some very high notes on X Factor so I'm sure she is deserving of a place in the category. Which song had the high note? Perfect pitch is something totally different, by the way. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Perfect Pitch is different to what? I didn't say what perfect pitch was. When she sang Lady Marmalade, She hit an Eb6. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Debbie33 (talkcontribs)

It's different to what we're talking about, you mentioned it but it's not a part of this discussion. By the way, could you possibly sign your posts using four tildes, like this ~~~~ ? —AnemoneProjectors (talk) 02:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, sorry. I didn't realise you had to sign your own posts, I assumed that happened automatically! Anyway, what I was saying about perfect pitch is this - I over read on another discussion page that if someone has perfect pitch, that alone is not enough to submit an entry on to the whistle register list. (by self diagnosing the PITCH of the note). It has to referenced. I think where we are crossing wires is you thought I was assuming Leona had perfect pitch? Which of course, is something totally different to whistle register! Debbie3301:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)Debbie33
Perfect pitch means that you know what note you are has nothing to do with the ability to hit a certain frequency. What we were saying on that page was if anyone has perfect pitch and is acredited for it, then we canb use them as a reliable source in order to cite articles and allow them to be put into the whistle register category. We were NOT saying that if an artist has perfect pitch they can be put into this category. I have removed Leona from this category for this reason. Also she hits an F#6 in Lovin' You which is studio recorded, however, again, you need citation in order to accredit her with the whistle register. Snail207:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Perfect pitch is nothing to do with this discussion. There is already a citation for the whistle register. — AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 18:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Thats what I was saying, and sorry I didn't see the reference. 07:34, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

£5million contract

Wow this looks incredibly difficult as a newbie on how to edit etc etc....Just wondering if anyone will update the main page with the fact that Leona performed in a special showcase in America in front of music insiders and bigwigs, and has officially signed a £5million contract with Clive Davis to produce 5albums.

Yes I am about to make an update regarding her new contract. — AnemoneProjectors(talk) 16:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
By the way, welcome to Wikipedia. I've left a welcome note on your user talk page. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 16:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Joan Armatrading

Joan Armatrading has said that Leona Lewis is her favourite current artist.[5] Does anybody think this is worthy of mention, and if so, where? —AnemoneProjectors (talk) 12:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Too many quotes

This article is too biased towards this singer. This is an encyclopaedia and therefore should be just straight facts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gill P (talkcontribs).

What do you think should be removed? Everything appears to be sourced. —AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

This page seems to miss information from it's sister page

This article is called Leona_Lewis and there is also another page called Leona_lewis which contains more information but seems to be missing from this one. It looks as though the record company is trying to hide information. Is this possible?( 06:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by86.142.76.188 (talk) 06:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

There is a user called brother egg that seems to have deleted information. (, 15 May 2007 (UTC))

Debut Album

I have removed the information on the track listing of the album from the main page for 3 reason: 1) it was not sourced 2) the track listing did not contain her first 2 singles and so cannot be correct, and 3) this should be placed in the albums own page. snail2 07:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Were you the IP who removed Twilight? That's the album she recorded before entering The X Factor, not the album that's due for release in November. I will try to find a source for the tracklisting. —AnemoneProjectors (会話) 08:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Never compared to Whitney

In the article it says that she was comapred to Whitney Houston. That never happened in the show. She was compared to Mariah Carey, Celine Dion and Christina Aguilera, but never to Whitney. Altrough once time she was said that her performance of I Will Always Love You was as good as Whitney's. —Precedingunsigned comment added by (talk) 22:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

After the show ended,when they did 'the winner's story'on ITV2, louis walsh did compare her to Whitney and Mariah during an interview. He said that they both should watch their back. —Precedingunsigned comment added by (talk) 18:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

"The only criticism"

"The only criticism Lewis received, both by the judges and in the press, was related to her confidence." - This is not true at all. From the top of my head, one other criticism she received was for her lack of star quality, which came from the show's own vocal coach: Perhaps a bit of balance is needed, rather than rewriting history. 08:13, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I shall add that to the article, thanks for the source. — AnemoneProjectors(会話) 09:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

get you tube it was related to confidence —Preceding unsigned comment added by81.83.5.66 (talk) 08:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


In the bio section she's noted as a 'Singer-Songwriter' but further on down the article I noticed this:

Lewis's second single, "Bleeding Love", produced by Ryan Tedder and written by Tedder and Jesse McCartney, was released on 22 October 2007 in the UK. —Preceding unsigned comment added byTommyhaych (talkcontribs) 08:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

How is that a contradiction? She doesn't write or co-write all her material, but it doesn't mean she's not a singer-songwriter, does it? anemoneIprojectors 10:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
If George Bush had a passion for fixing radiators, that doesnt mean he'd be a plumber now, would he? My point is that if Leona Lewis was a singer-songwriter as is claimed in the article, it should be stated somewhere that she actually writes her own music. The fact that "Bleeding Love" was written by someone else only makes that claim invalid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by86.162.196.41 (talk) 19:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Not really because if you look down at the tracklisting of Spirit you will see that she co-wrote "Here I Am". —Preceding unsigned comment added by86.148.64.196 (talk) 12:46, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
She's co-written three Spirit-era songs, "Here I Am", "Forgiveness" and "Whatever It Takes". She wrote all of Twilight herself and co-wrote all of Best Kept Secret, so I think it's safe to call her a singer-songwriter. anemoneprojectors 14:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough, I stand corrected. Tommyhaych 11:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC) —Precedingunsigned comment added by Tommyhaych (talkcontribs)

yeah so shut up really. she does write songs. —Precedingunsigned comment added by (talk) 22:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I Will Be

The song 'I Will Be', no.7 on Leona's album 'Spirit' was written by Avril Lavigne. Avril used it as a B-side, dubbing it "too slow" to feature on her more up-beat album 'Best Damn Thing'. —Precedingunsigned comment added by Cook9 (talkcontribs) 13:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

What is it the B-side to? It's on the special edition of Lavigne's album. anemoneIprojectors 15:55, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


This sentence in the opening statement claims she has not won anything It is claimed Lewis will be the first winner of a major television talent show in both the UK and U.S. to be given a major global launch with the release of the album.[4]...

She won the X factor, and to my knowledge she is NOT going to be on any American TV show to do with talent.DragonFire1024 (talk) 19:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

It's not claiming that she didn't win, it's claiming that she will be the first winner of a talent show to be given a major global launch with the release of the album. It's not saying she won a show in the US, it's saying that she's the first of all US and UK talent show winners to have a global launch.anemoneIprojectors 20:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
It needs to be reworded..because it sounds like she didn't win the X factor.DragonFire1024 (talk) 20:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


I changed the template because I believe Best Kept Secret is not one of her intended albums, it is another album. LemonZebras (talk) 10:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It's still a released album, same as It's All for You was a released single. anemoneIprojectors 10:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
However, on other templates, albums which are Christmas albums have been released and compilation albums have been released, therefore I think this album should go under other albums. (talk) 17:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Most templates only have compilation and live albums separate from studio albums. As they are both studio albums, they should be on the same line in the template. anemoneIprojectors 18:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
But the compilation and Christmas albums have been done in a studio too! (talk) 16:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
There's no Christmas or compilation albums on this template, you should take that up with the editors of those particular templates. anemoneIprojectors 19:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm not saying there is, I'm just saying that it isn't her second studio album, it shouldn't be on albums box of her template, obviously you can't grasp the fact that studio albums are also compilation and Christmas ones, I think you are contradicting yourself a bit, which isn't good for an editor of a highly-praised thing which is Wikipedia. 15:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Of course it should be in the albums box of the template. It is an album and it has an article.anemoneIprojectors 16:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, and live albums as well as compilation albums and some Christmas albums have articles too but they aren't in the albums box, they are in "other albums", I don't think you see my point!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 17:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
No, I don't see your point at all. Best Kept Secret is not a Christmas or compilation album. It is an ordinary album like Spirit. anemoneIprojectors 17:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
As Leona appears to have had no input into the release or production of "Best Kept Secret", seems to actively disown it, and despite claims it was released through online music store Juno Records it isn't actually on that site or available anywhere elsewhere, isn't including it as a "normal" album giving an entirely false perspective here? (talk) 02:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
That is exactly my point, I don't see Best Kept Secret as an album which is normal, it should go in a different box in her template. (talk) 12:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

There should be...

a mention of how many weeks each single is at Number one etc.

There is for "A Moment like This". I was waiting for Bleeding Love to fall from number one before I added the number of weeks, but it would be a good idea to add it now. anemoneIprojectors 23:14, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Coloratura Soprano

Leona is NOT a COLORATURA soprano! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 5 octaves (talkcontribs) 01:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Anything about her voice is original research, and unless you can find a reliable source, it shouldn't be mentioned. anemoneIprojectors 11:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Leona on Hebrow wikipedia --Albuman (talk) 15:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I've added it to the interwiki links sections (here and in other languages).anemoneprojectors 21:48, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Title Image

Shouldn't the title image be updated? Leona's image has changed a little since the image was taken..and maybe a more up-to-date picture would suit better? --Innes2k7 (talk) 18:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I try regularly to find a better, more up-to-date image, but there are none available that are free to use.anemoneprojectors 20:31, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Succession box

I've returned the succession box as every other Christmas Number one performer has one. --Hera1187 (talk) 06:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the performers should have them, it should be the songs (but the songs from the 2000s already have a navigational template). I think some were placed on performers' pages because there is no article for "Mr Blobby" and Band Aid's song used to redirect to Band Aid, so then they were placed on all performers' pages. It ought to be changed. anemoneprojectors 11:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


It says that the album Spirit got to number 9 in the United World Chart when really it peaked at 3, this needs to change. (talk) 21:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I hadn't noticed the error. anemoneprojectors 21:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Bleeding Love peak positions

Why hasn't all of Bleeding Love's peak positions been entered?? when you look at "bleeding love" on wiki it has a huge list of her peak positions including many number 1's in croatia which have not been entered on the leona lewis page. why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosj19(talkcontribs) 11:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Because we don't need to list them all here. I'm only including the ones on the page that have made the top ten, then we only need one reference. Anyone who wants to know other countries it charted in can look at the Bleeding Love page. But I would agree that any chart where it's reached number one could also be included here (as long as it doesn't turn out to be loads like "Hips Don't Lie" - 45 countries and territories, also I'm not sure about including charts that are purely airplay) so I'll work on that. anemoneprojectors 15:39, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I believe that Bleeding Love has peaked at number 9 on the United World Chart, it states it has peaked at number 11. This needs to change, thank you, (talk) 12:10, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh yes, Bleeding Love was updated but this page wasn't, thanks for the reminder.anemoneprojectors 12:32, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

new image

i love leona but i really dislike this picture. it looks like she being electricuted!! she looks so good now with her release of bleeding love and sprirt. is it possible to have a newer picture??! —Precedingunsigned comment added by (talk)

Unfortunately it's the best image available under a free licence. I check flickr reguarly. We can't use a promotional photo, album cover or screenshot. anemoneprojectors 13:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
A new image has now been uploaded. I hope everyone is happy. I know I am. anemoneprojectors 15:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
The new picture is so much better. 12bigbrother12 18:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC) —Precedingunsigned comment added by 12bigbrother12 (talkcontribs)
I think the current image is fine, to be honest: it displays Leona, and of course, it's free. There are better pictures, but unless they're free, they can't be used. Acalamari Bellatrix! 18:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Brits Snub

I really don't think "Now" magazine or any of the trashy British celebrity magazine are particularly credible sources of information. To be honest this looks like the author is letting their emotion for this topic pour out onto the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added byRiksweeney (talkcontribs) 16:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

It's a quote from Leona's management team, not a quote from the person at Now magazine. The quote was on many sources but that's the one I was reading at the time when I added it. anemoneprojectors 16:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

this needs re-wording

"On 21 February 2008, Lewis became the second UK reality show contestant to break the major American charts as "Bleeding Love" entered the Billboard Hot 100 at number 85.[67] The first was Joss Stone. It currently stands at 62"

joss stone is not from a reality show contestant at all never was on a reality show she sang song on some show when she was a kid (like chistina aguilera on star scearch etc...) but no reality show and she didn't get a recoured deal out of it she had to auction for them to see if they would like her just like every other singers have to do so maybe that need rewording of something cause it doesn't sound right — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Sheena Easton came from Esther Ranzten's show "The Big Time" which in modern parlance would be called a reality show although the term had not come into use at that time. However I do not believe there was a competitive element in the show and therefore she could not be described as a contestant. —Precedingunsigned comment added by (talk) 13:24, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


She doesn't write her own songs, so she should not be described as a singer-songwriter. Tom Green (talk) 13:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree, i cannot find any evidence of her having song writing credits. She doesnt on her own releases and she certainly cannot be described as a singer songwriter as this usually refers to a paticular type of musician who writes and performers their own material without much or no support. --neonwhite user page talk 21:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
She co-wrote "Whatever It Takes" and "Forgiveness" from Spirit, but I'm not sure how much this qualifies her as a songwriter. – JYi (talk) 06:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Not that much really, alot of pop singers get minor credits for the occasional song. --neonwhite user page talk 00:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Top of the Billboard Hot 100

The article is confusing in regard to the position in the Billboard Hot 100 that Lewis reached. As far as I understand, she reached number 1. The article, at one point, looks as if it was written before her single reached this point: it subsequently says: "It currently stands at 4, becoming the first UK female to hit number one since Kim Wilde"... This not only seems confusing, but at the time of writing this, the single is back up to number 2. Saying: "It currently stands at 4..." in an encyclopedia is perhaps a mistake, unless one is constantly updating the page. The single topped the Billboard Hot 100. That's an acheivement in itself. It is enough to mention just this. Where the single resides in the chart now is easily looked up elsewhere. Also, the sections in the article that cover the British females that have reached the top of the Billboard Hot 100 are confusing. At one point, it says: "...#1 in the US with a debut single, following Petula Clark in 1965 and Sheena Easton in 1981", and then later it says: "first by a British female vocalist to top the Billboard Hot 100 since Kim Wilde"... and then even later it says: "only the sixth UK solo female artist to ever top the US Hot 100, following Petula Clark, Lulu, Sheena Easton, Bonnie Tyler, and Kim Wilde"... Then we have: "first single by a British female to top the U.S. Pop Charts since Kim Wilde in 1987. Lewis now joins Petula Clark, Lulu, Sheena Easton and Kim Wilde, the only other women to get a number one hit in America", and: "Lewis is also the second British female to go to number one with a debut single, the other two act were Petula Clark with "Downtown" in 1965 and Sheena Easton with "Morning Train (Nine to Five)" in 1981"... and finally: "This was the first time in over twenty years that a British female solo artist had achieved the top spot since Kim Wilde in 1987 with "You Keep Me Hangin' On"." Maybe it's just me, but this is bloody confusing, and half of it is probably entirely unnecessary. Someone here needs to trim this lardy fat from the article: perhaps the person that wrote it all in the beginning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by86.158.177.28 (talk) 13:30, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I've tried to do some of that. Still a little redundant as far as I'm concerned. The previous UK female #1's in the States is probably better left in the body of the article, and removed from the opening paragraphs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockgolf (talkcontribs) 20:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The Wiki article on Petula Clark indicates that she had a number of releases in the US before Downtown, the first being in 1951. Downtown was not therefore her debut single in the US. There are therefore only two British female artists to go to number one in the US with their debut single. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Find a reliable third-party source that says the same thing, and we can work it in. — eon, 21:08, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Petula Clark's first release in the US was Tell Me Truly,November 1951 on Coral 60971 - —Preceding unsigned comment added by86.164.240.161 (talk) 12:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

As an oddball fact this means that the only two UK female artists to reach number one in the US with their debut singles both came from "reality" TV shows and both have an album called Best Kept Secret. —Precedingunsigned comment added by (talk) 13:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Page protection

Anyone? ~ smb 23:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the history of the page, it's a borderline case of needing semi-protection: some admins may protect it, some may not. There's been some recent vandalism, but at the same time, there's some good IP edits too. While I'm an admin, it would be inappropriate for me to protect this page due to my work on the article. I say go ahead and request it to be protected if you want to, and see what happens. Acalamari 01:58, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Of course, there's also been a person using IP-socks to add policy-violating material into the article, so some admins may consider that too. Acalamari 02:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Semi-protection has been requested. Cheers. ~ smb 22:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome: seems like a good protection to me. Thanks for requesting it. Acalamari01:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


When her career seemed to be going nowhere, she was considering quitting the music industry until her boyfriend persuaded her to enter The X Factor. This line is dubious. Leona may have said something ambiguous in the past, but in the interview that I saw, she said (paraphrasing): 'I don't think I was ever ready to quit', though she accepted feeling despondent and considered going to university for a time. ~ smb 23:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


Why has the link to Leona's photostream on Flickr [6] been removed inthis edit? The edit summary said something about copyvios. Well if there are copyvios on that site then surely no sites with photos should be linked for the same reason? I don't understand - it's her official photostream, after all. The edit summary might refer just to the lyrics site, which of course would involve copyvios, but I don't see why the Flickr link has to go as well (talk) 16:26, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

How do I edit?

Hi! I was wanting to make a addition to the Leona Lewis webpage but I can't figure out how to add to it? Can anyone help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by75.34.56.124 (talk)

Normally there would be an "edit this page" button at the top of the screen, but the page has been semi-protected due to recent vandalism, and as such, IPs and new accounts cannot edit the page until the protection expires.Acalamari 01:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Times or Daily Mirror?

Times write her mother MariA is an italian irish ballet teacher and the father is a DJ, Daily Mirror another thing: who we must believe? (talk) 18:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Leona Lewis on The X Factor

I've just created this page but can't add it to the article as I'm a new editor. Could someone put it in please? Leonapedia (talk) 12:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, the Gary Barlow quote in the article is incorrect. He actually said: "Both contestants are brilliant, but I have to say, Leona - and Simon, this is to you, mate - you've got a big responsibility because this girl is probably fifty times better than any contestant you have ever had on this show, and it's your responsibility to make her the best record you can, so please do that." Quotes should always be given exactly as spoken, so could someone please correct the article? Leonapedia (talk) 13:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Is there a precedent for a page like this? I don't want to help improve it only to see it removed. ~smb 16:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Dunno, but I don't see why it shouldn't stay - after all, there are pages for ever single episode of Star Trek and so on. I made the page because her progress through the show is only very briefly mentioned in the main article, and it would unbalance it to have that much detail in it. Leonapedia (talk) 09:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

An editor (User:Wiki edit Jonny) has nominated it for deletion. Rather than delete it, could we all collaborate to improve it please? I'm sure there's something in it that's worth salvaging.Leonapedia (talk) 13:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Leona Lewis on The X Factor

In addition to Leonapedia's entry (see above) please feel free to go to the Leona Lewis on The X Factor'sdeletion discussion page and offer your opinions. They would be much appreciated :) — Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 13:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Leona should have a voice section

I think there should be a voce section as she always been compared to Mariah Carey ect. She should have her volcal range posted. She has had loads of yotube videos of her volcal range. Loads of mentions of her voice. She should have a little section just to improve and expand the wikipage. (Sexty2 (talk) 17:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC))


Two quick points: (1) The Singer-songwriter page includes original research and does not cite specific references. (2) Wikipedia tells us to use "reliable, third-party, published sources", and not to adduce internal pages. With this in mind, I submit the following three external sources...

  • Leona Lewis, a 23-year-old British-born singer-songwriter who walked away the winner on Simon Cowell's British TV talent show The X Factor in late 2006... (Forbes magazine)[7]
  • Leona Louise Lewis (born 3 April 1985) is an English singer-songwriter and winner of the third series of UK television talent show The X Factor. (BBC) [8]
  • Senior Billboard correspondent Chuck Taylor calls singer-songwriter Leona Lewis "just phenomenal," and describes her music as "very pop." (ABC News) [9]

There's an abundance of reliable sources that describe Leona as a singer-songwriter. ~ smb 14:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh come ON. Just because someone somewhere has called a singer-songwriter it doesn't make it justified. I'm not going to go on about it because frankly life is too short. But it's clear to me that this is just fans trying to make her sound more credible, which isn't even necessary because she's already proven herself as a very successful singer. She is NOT a singer-songwriter in the generally understood sense of the term because the vast majority of her work has been written for her. For goodness sake Simon Cowell has a songwriting credit on one of her songs. Shall we call him a songwriter? AcerBen (talk) 17:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Leona wrote most of the songs on Twilight, which she performed for BBC Radio here: 1 Part 2 Further ahead, she plans on releasing more and more of her own work. Leona said recently that she has written over 100 songs (some better than others, obviously). But this is not important. Numerous reliable sources describe her as a singer/songwriter. ~ smb 00:01, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

A picture would be nice

OH come some one like Leona should have a picture by now this is a joke. (Sexty3 (talk) 20:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC))

It's not a joke. If there is a free image to portray her, then yes, an image will good, but non-free images will not do. Acalamari 20:37, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I don't know why the old one got removed – it was a free image taken by User:AnemoneProjectorsand he owned the copyright. Recently he hasn't been around, so wasn't able to defend the image being removed. Unless I am missing something I see no reason why that image shouldn't be reinstated. Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 21:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Why don't someone ask some from a website with Leona picture or permission.I might aswell get one of google images. I get aidian of Leona Lewis forum.(Sexty3 (talk) 23:31, 30 June 2008 (UTC))

No, do not get any images from Google or from forums: they are unlikely to be free, and therefore, cannot be used in the article. Acalamari 23:37, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I edited and put the image from Bleeding Love music video the US version. Easy IMO. Now leave like that for now. It only temparory image untill we find a proper good one. (Sexty3 (talk) 23:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC))

I've just removed, as it's a non-free image, and can not be used in the article, for (1) it's from a music video, and should be used in the article for the song, and (2) since Leona Lewis is a living person, a free replacement can be made available. See Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Unacceptable_use. Please do not add any more unfree images. Thank you. Acalamari 23:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
About the free pic that used to be here, it was deleted because the uploader didn't give proof of permission. But I've just contacted the Flickr user and he's agreed to release it under the public domain. I'm emailing the permission to the WP:OTRS now. Spellcast (talk) 20:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
You mean this one yeah? That'd be great if we could get that back. Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 16:47, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Bare references

So editors understand, it is my intention to format all references along these lines. If a statement is uncontroversial, not likely to be challenged, then I shall be removing the reference altogether. Likewise, there is no need for three references when one will suffice. — eon, 23:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

That's the references partially sorted. Now for some copy editing. — eon, 23:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC) Forgive ME is a single

Create the wiki page now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by79.72.91.63 (talk) 18:52, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Forgive Me

I think that a section should be here for this upcoming single, as I am told it isn't notable yet to have its own article. When the article is created, it can be removed. I think this would be better because currently there is no mention of it.LeonaLewisObsessive (talk) 21:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Nationality of her mum

Not that it's important in the big scheme of things, but there's a recent interview with Leona in the Evening Standard here that says her mum is half Italian and half Irish and grew up in Wales. Not sure what that makes her mum's nationality, but I'm guessing not Welsh if she wasn't born there. As a result Leona is under the category of English people of Welsh descent which is not right either. (talk) 12:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Jesse McCartney or Jesse Terrero?


I was wondering about Jesse McCartney "co-authoring" the hit song "Bleeding Love"...on the discography page it lists "Jesse Terrero."

Ryoung122 04:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Jesse Terrero is mentioned in Leona_Lewis_discography#Music_videos, where he is listed as the director of the music video for "Bleeding Love". Jesse McCartney did indeed help write "Bleeding Love", but I don't think he helped direct the music video. Acalamari 16:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Other album

She has another album that is realeased called "Best Kept Secret".Just letting you know. (talk) 00:56, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, do you have any sources to verify this? Thanks. Acalamari 17:39, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Sylvia Young Theatre School?

It said she attended here from the age of 5, but they only take students from Age 11 as verified on their website, so this probably needs to be corrected. Thanks. —Precedingunsigned comment added by (talk) 00:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Second studio album article to be created a year in advance!

Lets create one. Haha we got enough evidence. —Precedingunsigned comment added by (talk) 21:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Grammy nominations

Regarding this edit, to clarify Grammys and other awards, the lead sentence of an article is for describing what something is, not for mentioning what they have done. Grammy nominations and other aware/nominations are something that Leona Lewis has achieved, but she was not born with them. Awards should be mentioned later on in the opening sentences, or after it later on in the article. Saying that she is "Grammy-nominated" in the lead sentence both implies that she has always been Grammy-nominated, and also places undue weight on those awards over the rest of the article. Thanks. Acalamari 17:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)