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Trotskyism and "Bolshevik-leninism"[edit]

I removed the fragment "most of currents of trotskyism or bolshevik-leninism" from the passage on currents in Lib Marxism, since their inclusion contradicts the opening paragraph, "emphasizes the ability of the working class to forge its own destiny without the need for a revolutionary party or state to mediate or aid its liberation." A revolutionary party and state being some of the fundamental characteristics of Trotskyism/Leninism. 59.101.192.54 12:59, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Is this original research?[edit]

Thee are no real references to this other than to Chris Wright's 'map' which just claims people as libertarian marxist. Is there anything that supports such a loose definition of libertarianism - being 'opposed' to the state? Most liberatrians are in favour of some sort of state and, for example, most of these Marxists were supporters of the 1917 revolution in Russia whuch clearly extablished a state. --Duncan (talk) 19:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

  • The term libertarianism is extremely broad and generally means some form of anti-statism. The term "libertarian Marxism" simply means anti-statist Marxism, an ideological branch of Marxism that has vast historical precedent. See the page libertarian socialism for similar uses. I am removing the OR tag. Loyalprecision (talk) 02:57, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
This website has no sources save a blog (libcom.org) The claim is original research and none of the thinkers self-identify as libertarian Marxists. Mrdthree (talk) 17:52, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
agreei will mark it for deletion Darkstar1st (talk) 19:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I have added the appropriate citations for this article and as a point of clarification libcom.org is not a blog. It contains a vast library of works related to Libertarian Socialism/Libertarian Marxism. Anatoly-Rex (talk) 19:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Libertarian Marxism[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Libertarian Marxism's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "EB":

  • From Socialism: social democracy. Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved: 25 November 2012.
  • From Freudo-Marxism: "Wilhelm Reich", Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2012: "From 1956 to 1960 many of his writings and his equipment were seized and destroyed by FDA officials. In the 21st century some considered this wholesale destruction to be one of the most blatant examples of censorship in U.S. history."
    • That over six tons of literature were burned, see Sharaf 1994, p. 460: some literature was burned in June 1956, then six tons was burned in August.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 23:25, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

New Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis claims to be libertarian Marxist[edit]

I came this page to learn about Libertarian Marxism after hearing Yanis Varoufakis claim this is his intelectual position. Given his importance I thought it might be worth adding the page but I am a fish out of water in these fields of economic philosophy so thought I'd leave it to others to jusdge if and where to add it. He probably makes the claim in several places but I heard it 3minutes into this radio interview: http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/01/29/talking-to-phillip-adams-on-the-abcs-lnl/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ausrussell (talkcontribs) 18:11, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

primary source is an obscure blog[edit]

the primary source [1] appears to be a knockoff of the better known [2] or even [3] blogs. the articles are pdf blog posts by writers of little prominence. perhaps we could find a better source, and until then i will add a tag to the cite. the author of this blog post Wayne Price does not appear to be "scholarly" or "peer-reviewed" Darkstar1st (talk) 21:38, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

secondary source needs page number[edit]

does anyone here know what chapter or page supports this citation? Darkstar1st (talk) 22:06, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

actually all of the sources in the lead could use some clarity, none mention page number or quote. Darkstar1st (talk) 22:15, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Ugh[edit]

This is one of the most bloated Original Essays that I've ever seen on Wikipedia. Speaking of "Maxism-Leninism" (a post-1924 term) as an ideology opposed by early Left Communism is a particular howler. Rather than attacking this essay with a machete, it's probably best just letting it choke itself with layers and layers of unreadable prose... Not Wikipedia's finest hour, by any stretch... Carrite (talk) 16:20, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Listing highly centralized and authoritarian DeLeonism as a form of "Libertarian Marxism" is another massive inanity. Carrite (talk) 16:22, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

People like Anton Pannekoek and Paul Mattick critiziced Lenin directly and those they influenced did the same. Perhaps we should say just "Leninism" instead of "marxism-leninism" although marxism-leninism, as the state ideology embraced by state socialist regimes inspired in the USSR, was also rejected by libertarian marxists. So this is the reason why that should stay. Anyway i am open to discuss these issues here with the user that has commented here but i will ask him to clarify his criticisms while not being afraid to be more extensive in his interventions. But also if he could bring reliable references to support his arguments, that could help his arguments actually becoming part of the text.--Eduen (talk) 06:28, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Libertarian vs Liberal vs Classic Liberal[edit]

This article needs to point out that in the US, "liberal" means leftist while elsewhere, "liberal" means libertarian in the US. And in the US, "libertarian" means "classic liberal", that is Mises, Menger, and Smith, while elsewhere "libertarian" means "leftist".

As this article currently stands, it can only serve to confuse people. RussNelson (talk) 13:40, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

agreed, the entire article should be merged into an existing article/s Darkstar1st (talk) 15:32, 31 March 2016 (UTC)