Talk:List of Mycenaean deities

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To do: Confirm each entry with multiple reputable sources[edit]

Untitled[edit]

This page is a great beginning, and needs some more work. Few of the assertions here have consensus among Mycenologists. I fixed the "definitions" and LB transliterative spellings for a few of the entries, but multiple reputable citations are needed for quite a few of these. Single source, esp. an unpublished PDF source, might not be ideal for citation here. And while Palaeolexicon is awesome, it is also based on a very old lexicon (Hooker), and some of the definitions are either no longer accurate or disputed. k. da-ma-te (talk) 20:25, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for making me aware of this. I’m the user who created this page, I just felt Wikipedia needed a page for Mycenaean deities because it seems like there is a “list of deities” page for every other polytheistic religions.--Russianamerican1 (talk) 21:04, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Totally agree. This is an awesome start! :) I'll update a few more as I find time. Thanks for putting it together! k. da-ma-te (talk) 20:52, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
p.s. You might capture a few more unknowns by searching for "theonym" at http://minoan.deaditerranean.com - I don't have all of them listed yet, though. I'm using Documents in Mycenaean Greek 1973 as my initial source, and then updating with more current work as I encounter it. k. da-ma-te (talk) 20:55, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Potnia[edit]

should we list all the deities with the title Potnia such as Potnia Aswia (po-ta-ni-ja a-sa-wi-a), Potnia Igweja (po-ti-ni-ja i-qe-ja) or should we just list one Potnia and make reference to the others. Potnia is believed to be represented as a separate goddess in some parts of Mycenae. --Russianamerican1 (talk) 23:20, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

da-ma-te as Demeter[edit]

FYI, I removed the reference the da-ma-te as Demeter, but left the epithet. The etymology has been disproven for da-ma-te as Demeter many times, and there's a great section written on this very topic in "Interpreting the Linear B Records: Some Guidelines" by Yves Duhoux in the 2011 A Companion to Linear B: Mycenaean Greek Texts and their World vol. II (edited by Yves Duhoux and Anna Morpurgo Davies). k. da-ma-te (talk) 19:36, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Future Plans[edit]

For the record and for any editor reading this:
I have in mind (provided e.g. I'll indeed spend or I'll continue to spend an enormous amound of time and effort on this article, like I have done for the last days), I propose, to add under Heroes, mortals and other entities or concepts (or however this section might be renamed, etc.):

  • A. Attested in Linear B names that are probably anthroponyms but in later times were names of Mytholocigal figures (it's not only Proteus that has been attested).
  • B. Attested Shrine names like *Sphagianes.
  • C. Other relevant stuff that might pop up.

Under their own subsections, I guess.
And of course accompanied by reliable sources.
P.S. Also, under Deities or somewhere, other possibly Creto-Minoan-Mycenaean Gods like *56-ti.
P.P.S. Btw, should I preemptively note that this article may still be regarded as a work in progress?
Thanatos|talk|contributions 18:22, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hapax Legomenon[edit]

Some Linear B cited in this article is, unfortunately, hapax legomenon in the Linear B corpus. Unless there is overwhelming circumstantial evidence, it's almost always impossible to define a hapax word with any certainty. I propose we strongly consider removing these unless sufficient circumstantial evidence is provided. -kim. (talk) 05:07, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have an entry for these (something I need to fix in the LB Transliterations), so more research needed to check if they're hapax:

  • i-pe-me-de-ja
  • pa-ja-wo-ne
  • qo-wi-ja
  • wa-na-so-i

Some examples of circumstantial evidence which can help corroborate a tentative definition:

  • a-re is parallel to pa-si-te-o-i, making both more likely to belong a single taxonomy.
  • Indo-European and Homeric Greek cognates for po-ti-ni-ja as an epithet if not a theonym
Just for the record, for other editors who might read this:
There is a, let's say, relevant disclaimer; there is also common use of verbs and adjectives or adverbs like "possible-y" as there are accompanying alternative views/interpretations and notes. No false certainty, no presumed certainty; at least not much of it; at least as far as I can tell... ;-)
Thanatos|talk|contributions 06:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

ma-ka isn't ma-ka[edit]

Yves Duhoux showed that the sign group originally transliterated as ma-ka at Knossos is actually ma-qe in 2005, and there's no good contextual evidence for ma-ka on the Thebes tablets to imply a theonym, so I went ahead and removed that one entirely. Ref: Kadmos v. 44 (2005) “Adieu au MA-KA Cnossien: une nouvelle lecture en KN F 51 et ses consequence pour les tablettes lineaire B de Thebes” by Yves Duhoux -kim. (talk) 05:28, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You're the scholar, I'm the anonymous internet amateur, but are you sure that removing an entry in its entirety (based on one source/scholar, however prominent) is better than providing in parallel alternative views (elaborating e.g. inside a note)?!? ;-) Thanatos|talk|contributions 06:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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