Talk:List of defunct councils (Boy Scouts of America)

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Defunct councils[edit]

User:Gadget850/List of defunct local councils of the Boy Scouts of America
van Velthuyzen, John. "The Council Guide". Retrieved 01 March 2013. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
How do we use this? --evrik ^(talk) 21:49, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to move the defunct list to articlespace. It needs work- some of the links go to UK town councils. --— Gadget850 (Ed)^talk 00:15, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I went through and fixed the overlapping names. What is your vision for the page? Will the places in the "City" column be wikilinked? Will the councils in the last two columns be wikilinked? What exactly does "ended" mean, and what happened to those packs and troops? Thanks. --evrik ^(talk) 16:35, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ended/dissolved/disbanded probably means the the council failed to recharter: this is seen on a number of early councils. Their units may have failed or continued to operate until a new council formed: you didn't have to have a council in the early days. These should all be changed to the same status. Remarks and New council should be merged to clarify as I did with Admiral Robert E. Perry Council and the council name linked. --— Gadget850 (Ed)^talk 21:28, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed them all to ended/dissolved/disbanded. I think you should take this page live. --evrik ^(talk) 20:12, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguating council names[edit]

The standard I have been using for disambiguating council names is to add the state. For example, Piedmont Council (California) and Piedmont Council (North Carolina) are current councils. The we have councils that have gone defunct and the name has been reused, such as Lewis & Clark, Dan Beard, Theodore Roosevelt, Appalachian Council and many more.

I tried to use that model after reading this note. --evrik ^(talk) 18:31, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Defunct local councils of the Boy Scouts of America[edit]

Frankly, I don't see Category:Defunct local councils of the Boy Scouts of America as useful, since it will be populated only with redirects, and there are over 2000. The list is better. --— Gadget850 (Ed)^talk 16:43, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can using both hurt? --evrik ^(talk) 18:31, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you really want to put the work into adding the category, go ahead. --— Gadget850 (Ed)^talk 18:50, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The category already exists. It's simply a matter of populating it over time. --evrik ^(talk) 19:29, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Railroad Councils[edit]

Council	Founded	Defunct	Remarks
Chicago And Northwestern Railroad Council	1927	1930	did not recharter, railroad council
Chicago, Milwaukee, Saint Paul, & Pacific Railroad Council	1927	1930	did not recharter, railroad council
Delaware & Hudson Railroad Council	1926	1933	did not recharter, railroad council
International Great Northern Railroad Council	1928	1939	did not recharter, railroad council
Southern Pacific Lines Railroad Council	1927	1930	did not recharter, railroad council
Union Pacific Railroad Council	1927	1930	did not recharter, railroad council

van Velthuyzen, John. "The Council Guide". Retrieved 01 March 2013. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)

Check out:

Scouting for minorities wasn't just confined to cities, Scouting in rural areas were also common. One of these programs was called "railroad scouting," where employees of the BSA would ride trains throughout the rural South, stopping at every town on the way to distribute information and encourage the formation of troops. This policy originated to cut down on railroad vandalism, and the BSA realized it was a great way to promote its organization. Native Americans were also a large portion of the minority Scouts, and lived in settlements in rural areas. [1]

The Rural Scouting program was expanded with the Railroad Scouting program in 1926.[2]

Railroad Scouting was a small facet a the movement's efforts to promote Scout ing in rural America. Those efforts begai in 1916 when isolated farm boys went ...

Peterson, Robert (1987). "The Way it Was:The Industrial Troops". Scouting: 12. Retrieved 22 April 2013.
Peterson, Robert (1987). "The Way it Was:The Industrial Troops". Scouting: 12 & 68. Retrieved 22 April 2013.

I had never heard of these before. I'm not quite sure where to list them. I left the two with council numbers in the article. --evrik ^(talk) 02:35, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Man, I _love_ Scout cryptohistory-let's look into this and make an article! Note India presently has railroad Scouts.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:36, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Scouting Magazine article offers a pretty good start. I think it might be better in a larger article on outreach: rural, inner city, minority youth, etc. --evrik ^(talk) 15:17, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Restored?[edit]

What is with the restorations of Monterey Bay Area Council and Old Baldy Council? -- Gadget850 (Ed)^talk 02:48, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They had been part of the article at Scouting in California#Closed Boy Scout Councils. As part of the downgrading of the page from article to list, I split out the information back into their own articles. I think they look okay, don't you? --evrik ^(talk) 14:16, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You really going to create 2000+ articles? At least you didn't create them just to keep the images. -- Gadget850 (Ed)^talk 15:15, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- No, I would have been just as happy to leave them where they were. I wouldn't mind folding them into another article ... but I don't want to listify an article ... --evrik ^(talk) 15:26, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Serious Reorganization of page[edit]

There are way too many councils listed as defunct. Many have had name changes, but that doesn't mean they are defunct. For example, I removed the Pine Tree Council which was said to be called Cumberland County. This is inaccurate and the Pine Tree Councils webpage has themselves being called Pine Tree Council! This is one example! There needs to be a complete reorganization of this page. The councils that haven't gone any name change should NOT be listed on this page. The councils that have undergone a name change should be listed under a completely new list.

This is ridiculous and this is what makes me quick editing Wikipedia articles. There are rules on Wikipedia, users never actually correct any inaccuracies in information rather petty stuff that doesn't even matter, like images changes. The majority of pages I've come across are inaccurate and people add anything they wish in to articles, and somehow users are missing this!

I quit.

Source: https://pinetreebsa.org MonsieurNapoléon (talk) 01:15, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hyperbole much? 2 options:

WP:SOFIXIT
quit as you say, no one is asking you to stay.

Your choice--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 01:16, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]