Talk:List of democratic socialist parties and organizations
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Where is the New Democratic Party of Canada
Last time I checked Canada had a political party, which is now the official opposition with 103 seats out of 308 that is constitutionally committed to "democratic socialism". Why is the NDP not on this list? Could someone with the ability to edit please rectify this error, they're certainly further to the Left than the Parti Quebecois!!
I would personally oppose the inclusion of the Sinn Fein party in this list: whilst their rhetoric is often left-wing, their supporters could often be associated with the new right - see for example the violence against asians in Dublin during the Sinn Fein supporters' riots earlier this year. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 18.104.22.168 (talk • contribs) 18:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
- This may be a discussion that should take place on the Sinn Fein talk page -- that article currently describes it as a democratic socialist party, so it makes sense to include it here for the time being. -David Schaich Talk/Cont 19:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Factionalism in Centrist parties
I don't think this section belongs in a "List of democratic socialist parties and organizations" article. While there are democratic socialist organizations working within centrist parties (Democratic Socialists of America comes to mind), there is no reason these cannot be included in the actual list. The current section seems argumentative and POV, and I don't think lists of left-wing individuals belong in this article. Anyone care to write in its defense? -David Schaich Talk/Cont 00:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeah sorry about that, I think you are right. I added in that section but I agree that it should be removed. I just thought that democratic socialists within centrist parties should be included, because there are leftists within liberal and progressive centrist parties who have agendas which are further to the Left of those from self described socialist and social democratic political parties. - Chris Gilmore
I don't know how to automagically alphabetize a wiki list; I hope someone who does, will do so to this one. --Davecampbell 02:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- Or alphabetize by country? These are English translations of many of the party names. Ghostofnemo (talk) 08:31, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
they already have a list!
- Well, the intro says that some social democratic parties are listed since they "include significant numbers of democratic socialist members". Are there any in particular that you think don't belong in this list? -David Schaich Talk/Cont 02:22, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Thats a tricky question, I wasn't quite sure if they should be included either. The only problem is there tends to be alot of overlapping between social democrats and democratic socialists within left-of-centre parties, especially in the west. Take for example the British Labour Party you have some who would like to see massive nationalization and a comprehensive social safety net, while there are others in the same party who would like to see greater trade liberalization and even the selling off of the National Health Service. Many now adhere to Tony Blair's ideology of reformist capitalism, obviously staunch differences have existed over the last 80 years in regards to the policies of various Labour leaders. The same contrast exists within the New Democratic Party of my country and in many other political parties. For example where would you put a party like British Labour which on paper is committed to socialism but has followed some fairly centre-right policies while in office during the last ten years? Or a party like the NDP which again is socialist on paper and has led some very socialist administrations, but on the other hand has also campaigned on moderate or "mushy middle" platforms in the past and led extremely centrist administrations also (such as that of Bob Rae in Ontario and Roy Romanow in Saskatchewan)? Where would you put parties such as the Worker's Party of Brazil where numerous platforms exist, some being very far to the left such as the Trotskyites while others are openly social democratic? - Chris Gilmore —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
- I think that as long as they have significant social democratic and democratic socialist membership and positions (or paper or in practice, or both), there's little problem with keeping them in both lists. In some cases might it be worth adding a footnote with some more information? -David Schaich Talk/Cont 23:09, 5 May 2007 (UTC)