Talk:List of grand couturiers

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Definition of a grands couturiers

I've opened the article with a definition of a grands couteriers. Feel free to edit to improve it.Kwazyutopia19 00:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)KwazyUtopia19[reply]

I don't understand the definition - are they designer's designers? People who have pushed the boundaries of technique, media coverage, and cultural innovation? Why is John Richmond on the list and Rei Kawakubo, Jill Sander, Martin Margiela and Yohji Yammamoto not? Not financially major players - but definately regarded separately as major influences on their peers. It's too vague a definition to be a concise list.Violetbeau (talk) 01:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A grand couturier is someone whose primary or exclusive output is haute couture, a type of dressmaking where each garment begins with a "blank sheet of paper" (or a raw muslin) on the body (or the particular dressmaker's dummy) of a client. This is in distinction to ready-to-wear garments, which are made in factories to set dimensions, and made-to-measure garments, which are modified from a stock pattern. Haute couture is a very rarified level in fashion, with just a few hundred such dressmakers in all of France who qualify. The Chambre Syndicale selects from this group, focusing on the ten most refined, successful and influential practitioners.
Bricology (talk) 19:52, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"household names"

This article tells me that

Grands couturiers usually are household names who have high profile clients

Most of these names are unknown in my household, and most of the remainder of the names are never mentioned.

And that's even before asking what a "high profile client" means in depeacocked English. -- Hoary (talk) 15:01, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of grands couteriers

The list should be alphabetical and we need to decide which designers are grands couteriers. Kwazyutopia19 00:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)KwazyUtopia19[reply]

Assuming we stick to the general definition of "grand couturier" (cf. here) - and I don't think there is any other objective criterion -, "grand" stands for "haut": "a grand couturier is a fashion designer that has been inducted into the Chambre Syndicale de la Haute Couture". The scope of the list should be strictly related to the official list of current and former members of the Chambre Syndicale de la Haute Couture, including "correspondants" and "guests" but excluding jewelry and accessories, as indicated in the article on Haute Couture. For fashion designers holding "significant influence in the fashion industry", i.e. notable fashion designers, the list of fashion designers is more suitable. Racconish^Tk 08:05, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No. WE do NOT "decide" who they are. They are all listed in the FHCM website. If they are not listed, they are not members. And that's it. Fmerjudio (talk) 08:56, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The page for Alexander McQueen links to this list, but from what I can see (unless he sometimes goes by a pseudonym), he is not a member of this group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Csniker (talk • contribs) 22:48, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

McQueen died in 2010, and the fashion house that survived him fell off the list of grands couturiers sometime thereafter. This is not an uncommon occurrence after the death of a fashion house's founder. They tend to only remain on the list if the creative director is themselves a significant figure in fashion (e.g., Sarah Burton, first at Alexander McQueen, then at Givenchy).
Bricology (talk) 20:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly is this list, by the way?

Is this meant to be a consistently updated list showing the current grands couturiers and invited members, and if so, where are previous members/invited members recorded? That's information that would be considered encyclopaedic, as there have been a great number of Paris designers over the 20th century who have been members of the Chambre syndicale de la haute couture - checking the Fédération française de la couture also shows a list that is kept up to date and current, but with no acknowledgement of historic members of the union/group.

It strikes me that something like this page would be a good place for a sortable list table where all fashion houses/designers who are, or were part of the group, can be listed either alphabetically by designer, or chronologically by dates they were a member, where known, probably with a separate list for current members and invited members, and a separate list for invited members who are no longer so, recording the time/year of their tenure as an Invited Member. Many of these designers do not yet have articles, which recently led to an edit wiping out all the "non-notable" red-links, which I feel wasn't appropriate in this instance - being invited to be part of this select group of designers is not just handed out willy nilly to anybody, but is decided on by committee to decide who has the skill, talent and design merit to be invited to participate. Mabalu (talk) 19:07, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's better to merge this list article into the haute couture article (at least for the time being; I personally have yet to see any point why this need to split off from it this early, perhaps later by the time information has grown extensively on other areas, maybe like the metiers), just so we are sure that both details survive by way of enriching each other's content (especially with this idea of an extremely functional table of designers/houses). Fmerjudio (talk) 08:55, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No updating of the list unless included in the official list

Until designers' names are ACTUALLY included in the FHCM website's members list (look it up; you're online for God's sakes), NO ONE'S NAME IS ALLOWED ON THIS LIST

"Grand", not "Great"

For some inexplicable reason an editor here decided to translate the French "Grands" in "Grands Couturiers" as "Great". This is an error. The correct English translation of "Grands in this context is the plural form of "Grand", as in "Grand Prix" (auto racing series). No one would translate "Grand Prix" as "Great Prize". Unless someone can put forward a compelling argument to the contrary, I am going to correct the title of this to "List of Grand Couturiers".
Bricology (talk) 19:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]