Talk:List of treaties in Star Trek

The Onion

This page is a lot shorter than the Onion led me to believe it would be. Much shorter than Firefly (TV series). --Arcadian 15:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Cloaking in the Alpha Quadrant

The article (and the matching Memory Alpha article) states that it is illegal for the Federation to use the Defiant's cloaking device in the Alpha Quadrant. However, there is no cannon proof of this. The closest I found was one quote by Sisko asking to cloak the ship as soon as they got in the Gamma Quadrant, which could mean anything (for example, that they didn't want to cross the wormhole while cloaked). So, I've removed the related material until someone finds proof of its validity. The last version with the "Gamma Quadrant" comments is available here. -- Ritchy 19:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA candidacy

I'm sorry, but this article has a number of problems that keep it from becomming a Good Article. As per WP:WIAGA:

• 1b: The article's lead is a single sentence, which is insufficient.
• 1c: The article does not follow the Manual of Style, in relation to placing footnotes after punctuation, television series titles being italicized, and minor grammar/punctuation issues.
• 2: The article contains zero references from any reliable sources- and, in fact, zero sources aside from Star Trek episodes. Thus, zero references are independent of the topic itself.
• 3a: The article is not comprehensive, as it, for example, does not talk about who the United Federation of Planets and the Romulan Star Empire are or why they agreed to this treaty in the first place.
• 6c: All of the images are clearly fair use, but none of them contain a proper fair use rationale; that is, why the image is needed as part of the article.

Feel free to resubmit this article to WP:GAC when these issues are addressed. Happy editing! -- Kicking222 02:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I was mostly curious to see how it would fare in a GA review. Better than I expected, in fact. All these points can be fixed, except #2, the lack of independent references. I just don't see where we are going to get references on this that do not originate from within Star Trek. -- Ritchy 17:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

There are plenty of secondary sources about Star Trek. reference books, magazines, and suchforth. The article really ought to be ordered to make it clear in which order things were revealed to the viewer : it was invented as a plot device as final season episode of TNG, and also finally answered the question of "Why don't Starfleet use cloaks", which had been posed many many times before 1994. Morwen - Talk 17:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, was an amendment to the Treaty specifically mentioned in DS9, or what? THis article is doing a lot of Wikipedia:Original research on primary source material to create a coherent narrative of future historical events - entirely reasonable original research, but nontheless. Morwen - Talk 17:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Well it certainly sounds like an amendment, but you're right, no one ever actually calls it that. In fact, for all we know, the original Treaty of Algeron could have a clause that allows for situations like the one in DS9, and no amendment ever occured. We'll have to rewrite that part. -- Ritchy 18:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Aye, that's pretty much what I'm thinking. It also seems the Neutral Zone treaty allows temporary waivers, as well. Morwen - Talk 20:14, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, when both sides agree to it, such as in the present timeline in "All Good Things", or for the rendez-vous in "Data's Day". -- Ritchy 20:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Romulan Star Empire logo.png

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BetacommandBot (talk) 09:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Oppose deletion. While this article is not well written, this is a key plot constraint of the various Star Trek series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KomandorskiMaru (talk • contribs) 04:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Trimming

I substantially trimmed this article. A brief overview: The Treaty of Algeron section was the worst kind of original research. For the most part, the cited dialogue establishes characters' general conversations, but failed to substantiate the generalizations made by the article. I cut the Second Khitomer Accords section because it fails to meet the inclusion criteria of affecting multiple episodes. Removed differentiation between canon/non-canon as non-npov; primary sources are identified, and readers can make up their own mind.

I'm still not convinced these items individually, or even as a whole, meet WP:GNG. The unofficial consensus seems to be that lists have a lower threshold for notability; I'm not sure I agree, but so be it for the time being. --EEMIV (talk) 20:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)