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Didn't This Is Spinal Tap put an end to this sort of music? 69.72.4.58 15:05, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

I am Beauty of the Beast and I am a massive Lordi fan.

Recently I have been viewing the Lordi page and people are effectively unmasking members. I know that whatever I change it will be edited and that is OK because this place is a "wiki" after all but Lordi chose to wear masks for a reason. They do not want their real names know or their faces seen and we should respect that.

I know sending a email to Wikipedia stating that the names are copyritten would not work and I know whatever happens there will always be people trying to unmask the members but it should not happen here. I know Wikipedia wants to have the best sources of information, and it should but we should not add information that denies a persons choice.

Anyone is free to talk about lordi on their official Lordi messageboard at http://www.bmgfinland.com/lordiforum/ . I'll see you there.

If anyone wishes to contact me about the Lordi Wikipedia page you can email me at uncyfester2001@yahoo.com .

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Beauty of the Beast (talk • contribs) .

Scientology has spent decades.Geni 21:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

If you don't mind me saying it Geni, I don't think that is a very constructive statement. Having thought about this, I tend to agree with Beauty of the Beast. Honestly, why does it matter that we call the band members by their real names or nicknames? Does it really make the article better? Does it make Wikipedia better in general? Not much in my opinion. It's a piece of information that is not that useful for fans, general public, and certainly not for the band. I think we should respect their choice, as it doesn't hurt anyone. --IronChris 23:13, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Enary has performed under her real name outside of lordi. Lordi's real name surfaces in quite a number of the old reviews. The others are a pain the verify. Not includeing the names would make wikipedia a less complete source of information. It is unlikely to hurt anyone if we don't include the information that a Mr J. Johnstone was killed at Jordanhill railway station.Geni 23:38, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Iron Chris; Joseph Stalin didn't want to be known as Ioseb Jugashvili (his real name) so he took up a number of "artist" names. Should we also go and remove his real name from Joseph Stalin? I mean, sure, it wouldn't make Wikipedia much worse if his real name wasn't there, but it's nice to have complete articles with all the information we can find in them. --HJV 23:56, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I don't think a comparison between Joseph Stalin and a heavy metal band is appropriate, but I get your point. I just think that respecting the freedom of the band is also important. But my feelings on the subject aren't very strong so I'll go with the flow. As long as photos of the members unmasked aren't included. That would be a much greater offence imho. --IronChris 17:35, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

considering how difficult it is to get wikipedians to take photos at the best of times I think it is safe to say that that is not going to happen.Geni 17:40, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

If you follow Beauty Of The Beast's logic, By saying their names should not be in the article, neither should Pro Wrestlers. No difference whatsoever. It's just another psuedonym. Duke toaster 11:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not about what the fans want, or the bandmembers want, It's about the Facts! please abide by the pillars of wikipedia. why do people have such a hard time understanding this! GWAR did this stuff 20 years ago, man I am old!--MadDogCrog 11:51, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Hit it right on the head. Rock on. Duke toaster 11:52, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Good Job Duke. I was researching and you were fixing it. Can anyone get the table of contents on the top of the page--MadDogCrog 12:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

year span?

Uhm, the article states that they began in 1267?!

Indeed, that was the contribution of a vandal (though rather funny). I changed it back to the original year span : 2002-present. --IronChris | (talk) 19:56, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the band has been active since 1992, even though the first single was released in 2002. One source of this is http://www.tartareandesire.com/bands/lordi.html. Jonas Viper 21:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Finnish version of the page says '1996'. --M.A.

Mr. Lordi got the idea in 1992, but didn't meet the other members of the band until 1996. --j00

Pyrotechnic

As I see it this poorly worded section is pretty much incomprehensible and should be removed - anyone else with me? -- Anjow

"See also"

I think the "see also" section should be removed. I know it was not intended as such, but in a way it is POV. For example I don't understand the reason to have a link to arena rock, and the "similar" bands are contestable. KISS and Alice Cooper are similar to Lordi? I don't agree. Saying that bands are similar is always a difficult job and people will never agree on it. It doesn't add anything to the quality of the article; in fact most (virtually all) band articles don't have such a section. I just wanted to discuss it before deleting it, as some people might take offence. IronChris | (talk) 19:58, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi it's Beauty of the Beast

I know that KISS and Alice Cooper were massive influences to Lordi and I personaly would not be bothered about having them as simmilar bands. I can understand your point and I am not making an objection to it, I'm just stating what I know. I would say Lordi are simmilar to KISS and Alice Cooper as if you think about it when all these bands first came out it was a case of "shock rock". Each group has made their live performances important and each have always done some sort of theatrical section at a performance.

then probably the best aproach would be to shift that info into the main article.Geni 14:06, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

If I may, wouldn't it be possible to have a link to Lordi's wikipedia profile in the wikipedia profile of the aforementioned bands (Kiss, Alice Cooper, etc)?

Also, I do not see any resemblance between Symphony X and Lordi (musically and visually). I like both bands alot, but they have NOTHING in common in my humble opinion. User:M3TALL1CA2000 23:10, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

There is an obvious link between Lordi and Kiss, that the performers prefer(red) to be presented under their assumed identities. It has little to do with the type of music, although both could be considered within a general rock context. It is a matter of presentation. It is not similar, however, to groups like The Residents, who used their anonymity to pursue their musical vision without media inspection.LessHeard vanU 00:08, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Can't you guys find sources if you want to compare them to other acts? Ultimately, that would be a lot better than giving your own impressions and opinions, though I don't think this article is worse than a lot of others in that way. Personally, from the little I've heard of the vocals, I'm most reminded of Lemmy Kilmister, but I'm not going to say it in the article unless I can find a rock journalist or someone to attribute it to. The resemblance to KISS is especially obvious, but all the more reason why there must be journalists etc who have already made the comparison and can be used as sources. Just my two cents' worth, and now I really will go to bed. Metamagician3000 15:48, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Fact: Tomi Putaansuu was (is?) chairman of the finnish KISS -fanclub, Rumour: Lordi is said to be formed at a KISS concert. KISS should maybe be in some 'inspired by' -section.

Lordi and satanism

Project2501a, it's ok if you remove my edit, I just wanted to make sure that it was clear for someone reading this article who doesn't already know the band (and maybe heavy metal in general) that they aren't satanists. If you think it's clear like that, alright then. But I don't see what was wrong the addition "which they are not" (alternatively it could be put in parentheses, to avoid disrupting the sentence, if that's what worries you), without the mention of "devil is a loser". Take care, IronChris | (talk) 15:55, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Sort of on topic, I think it's very ignorant of Mrs Kostantinidou to actually say Lordi is a satanist group. Especially with a song like "devil is a loser" which wouldn't count as satanism and probably is the opposite. Jackpot Den 09:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Just something to add, most people who sing songs like Lordi are not satanic, and satanism is a ridiculous thing to accuse someone of because they like to sing good songs.

Some people will tell you that rock'n'roll, and each and every genre since, is "The Music of the Devil"; obviously, having fun is somehow Unholy... Ossy Osbourne had a similar reputation once, and now he does adverts for banking services... (okay, bad comparison maybe, but you get my point!) This is strictly a personal opinion, but people who get upset by the image of the likes of Lordi deserve to be upset...LessHeard vanU 23:57, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

You have to admit, Lordi certainly looks... "intimidating." --Cerebrus13 00:04, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Sales stats

this article in finish gives some in on how europvision is affecting their sales.Geni 10:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Genre

The article says "melodic theatrical hard rock", isn't it more like heavy metal? --PsySine

People love lumping things under heavy metal. I suggest everyone go listen to some Judas Priest and then re-evaluate what they consider the heavy metal genre to include.--Pypex 18:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Is lumping it under hard rock better? :) --PsySine

They call themselves hard rock. http://www.eurovision.tv/english/2469.htm On the musical side, we are a rock band, a heavy rock band, playing melodic 80s hard rock.. And you know... they just ain't metal. -- Mystman666 ^(Talk) 13:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry but while I agree that the band's own definition of their music is important, and obviously they are a hard rock band, I believe they are ALSO a heavy metal band (heavy metal and hard rock are often synonymous. For example Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple have been called both). Saying they "they just ain't metal" is POV. And Pypex, you can't base one of the most varied genres of the world (metal) by comparing bands to Judas Priest. Judas Priest are just as much hard rock as heavy metal. And there are so many other metal bands that are NOTHING like Judas Priest.

On the page of Putaansuu, it says "...formed Lordi, a heavy metal band, when he was 18 years old". On the website http://www.eurovision.tv/english/2469.htm , while Lordi refers to the band as heavy rock, he also later in the article says "Our future plan is to get back to our normal heavy metal routines".

One more point - why "melodic hard rock". This is assuming other hard rock is known to be unmelodic, or even that unmelodic hard rock is a large enough genre to warrant the prefix "melodic". Most hard rock IS melodic (the term is more often used with much heavier metal music) and melodic is an entirely subjective term anyway, so I vote the removal of the word "melodic". - Peter

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Eurovision

Should put in the details of Eurovsion 51th 2006 victory by Lordi.

YES! YES! YES! We did it! Dr.Poison 22:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

This just in - a flying pig caused a collision threat at the Helsinki-Vantaa International Airport. It's funny how articles of news events gather this kind of informal commentary (though when 7/7 happened, I was the first one posting "Oh ****"). --Kizor 22:54, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I stopped watching the Eurovision Song Contest since it had become boring as heck. When I heard that Lordi was Finland's representative, a group I had never even heard of, I knew that something special was in the making. And now, look at that, they go and win the thing! I'm not a great fan of heavy metal, all that clanking and banging and guys trying to out-Ozzy Ozzy Osbourne, but I watched these guys perform in Athens, and I had to smile. Rock on, dudes! :) -- Jalabi99 18:36, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Highest points claim

Is it worth mentioning that the song contest voting system has changed a substantial amount during its history, and weren't there also more voting countries this year?

I can't really say, but if it is, I advise waiting for a few days. :) Finns have a national inferiority complex, and are bouncing off the walls right now. --Kizor 23:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not from Finland or anything, but that kind of comment is unnecessary. Even if you're kidding. --User:M3TALL1CA2000 23:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Weeellll....you have to realise that, when it comes to Eurovision, that comment might well be applied because they have walked home with THREE 'Nul Points' before, and now they have won, they will be bouncing off the ceiling, let alone the walls. Well done Finland. Lady BlahDeBlah 23:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I am from Finland, M3TALL1CA2000, and in all honesty, I have to say that that kind of comment is fairly accurate and not particularly unfair. It doesn't apply to everyone, obviously, but when it comes to Eurovision, a lot of people take this win very, very seriously for reasons that have far more to do with national self-esteem than anything else. Trust me, for many this is a very big deal. (Yes, it's also very sad -- I mean, Christ, it's the Eurovision, of all things. It's like winning the third-graders' spelling bee when you're an adult...) -- Captain Disdain 02:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I like that spelling bee comment :) I have to say it is great though, this is the first time I've ever taken the competition seriously, and the first time voting, finally an act whose only attribute isn't pretty boys or half naked girls, and a deserving winner. Oh and I voted Finland, not that I needed to :) On a side note, I have to be glad our (Britian) entry crashed and burned, what a pathetic attempt. Anyway congratulations Finland, I'm only sad I'm not there, my friends were all calling me going slightly insane, sonded like one hell of a party. --Hellahulla 09:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Without being completly sure, I think that your are right on the matter, that this Eurovision was the one with the highest number of voting countries so far, which of course goes a long way of explaining why they got so high a score, compared to the previous winners.--Emilsj 00:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Resemblance

The guy looks very similar to a Klingon. The Wookieepedian 04:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Dude, they look nothing like Klingon... 85.221.201.206 11:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Merely like a dremora. 62.251.111.252 19:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

80.186.62.184

This lady/gentleman decided to remove the real names. Will re-add. Duke toaster 11:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Readded, and left a few wise of advice not to continue vandalising. Rock on guys, Duke toaster 12:08, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Please respect their choice not to reveal real names. Does it make article any better? I think no! Only Mr. Lordi and Kita used (accidentally?) their realnames in finnish Rytmi magazine interview. (accidentally?). --85.76.181.56 20:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I removed the real names only to protect their privacy. They have been harrassed because of their music and revealing their names makes it kind of easier. If someone chooses to re-add them I promise not to "vandalise" them again. I hope that it won't happen. Peace 80.186.62.184 22:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Lordi's real name also appears in the "Monster band has Finland fretting over face it shows." International Herald Tribune article from the references section. It's hard to put the cat back in the bag... JHunterJ 13:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

All of this "we have to protect their privacy" stuff is guff, in this case. These guys are performers, and public personas. Sure, they wear masks and all that, but knowing their real names won't cause any harm except to their "monster man" reputations. :) After all, we all knew the real names of the members of KISS for years before they finally stopped wearing their facepaint makeup, right? And did that do them any harm, I think not! -- Jalabi99 18:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Unmasked.

Greetings.

I have noticed that you have put the names on the band members out on the site. As an old Lordi fan i have to protest. As beauty said, the masks is for a reason, The band members has by their own free will chosen to wear monster masks and keep their names an physical appearence secret, while you reveal this you destroy much of what Lordi stands for. Not only do you destroy the very soul of the music but - in my opinion - insult the members and many of Lordis' fans worldwide. Since I can not myself take away the names when i'm pretty sure you will not accept it. Wikipedia is suppose to illuminate not destroy for people, with this you has missed your own very point. please take away names or ask the band if they accept that you unmask them.

/Fisted.

Hello Fisted. Please remember that this is an encyclopeadia, not a Lordi fansite. This information is relevant to this article. It would be verging on the pro-Lordi POV to not include their real names. Besides, the cat is out the bag anyhow. If Wikipedia is supposed to illuminate people, it does so by providing relevant information, and their real names are relevant.

P.S. Please sign your comments with four tildes, not /Fisted. Thanks.

Duke toaster 12:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

How do you know their real names if they dont use them? Theres no proof about who they are, references missing. Wikipedia should not give away false information. --85.76.181.56 20:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not false information. It doesn't matter if you refer to yourself as Jesus Christ, or Todd Smith. Whatever your birth cirtitficate says is law. Granted you could change that legally, but they haven't yet so thats unimportant. Try signing a contract with the name "Mr. Lordi". -J!nX

They don't do contracts, their promoters/label etc does, are you a little bit stupid or something. There ain't any good references so names should not put on that front page. Only Mr Lordi aka Tomi Putaansuu has been on public with his real name. Who cares about their real names, theres no well known artists behind those masks if you are looking for that kind of information. --85.76.181.56

Mr. Lordi's real name is Tomi Putaansuu, this is very well known throughout Finland. The real names of the other band members are secret, and have only ever been mentioned in an Ilta-Sanomat article once. I don't think they should be mentioned in this article. JIP | Talk 19:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see the real names removed from this band's page because the members of Lordi are the stagenames and faces they use instead of the real persons behind the characters. However, to retain the freedom of information, I'd create a page for each member of the band with something in lines of Mr Lordi - Mr Lordi is the leading character of the band Lordi. He is 'played' by Tomi Putaansuu. This way the band would retain the important aspect of being in character but would still reveal the names to those who wish to dig for them. - G3, 07:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

If their names are published, there has to be a relevant reference as they're supposed to be a highly guarded secret. If not, I claim that I'm Ox. 130.232.94.72 19:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

we've got referances. They just got burried in the history during all the reverting.Geni 19:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Semiprotection need FAST

Please could an admin semiprotect this: the real names are being deleted by IP users (I.E. the page is being VANDALIZED) Duke toaster 13:52, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, their real names are encyclopedic information (and it is not Wikipedia's role to suppress such information if it is available). If someone provides the information with verifiable sources, any attempts to remove it will look like vandalism. But I don't think admins are going to want to protect potentially embarrassing claims if they are unsourced and look speculative.

I'm going to bed, so you'll need to attract the attention of other admins if there are more problems (use the notice boards), but that's the way I see it. Metamagician3000 15:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

"Illegal" mp3-link removed

The link to http://users.tkk.fi/~jkaurama/sony_offers_lordi_mp3s_from_illegal_source.txt which i added was removed based on the argument that it was somehow illegal. Please note that the guide tells that free mp3 files are made available on Lordi's official website which made downloading of the files anything but illegal, as they are used, as the guide tells, in a multimedia presentation on the site. A user viewing that site was using the files anyway. What the guide does is that it in a childish way tries to be ironic about the way that those maintaining the site (representants for the copyright holders) obviously downloaded the files from "illegal" file sharing networks to make them available in the first place. That has however no relevance for the lagality of these files. Please do not remove links you do not understand. However, none of this is of any greater relavance any more, since the links to those mp3 files decribed in the linked page are now broken, someone might have realized that they were unintentionally giving away their music.apecat 14:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

That's all well and good, but the descritpion of the link you provided "Sony Offers Lordi mp3s From Illegal Source" appeared to anyone seeing it (myself included) a clear indication of the copyright status of those files. We could get into an argument about the legality of extracting a component of an online presentation, and retaining that component on your own machine when you do not hole the rights to either the presentation or the component of it. But thats not the point. The link purports to show how the Lordi website contains illegal mp3s (yes, a rather circumstance, I know), and your description of the link is as a "Guide on how to get free mp3 versions of most of the band's singles" would appear to the average person to be an endorsement of downloading these mp3 files. Wikipedia Copyright Policy states that "If it is [violating someone else's copyright], please do not link to the page". I think Tartan and I were both justified in removing the link. Nick Moss 01:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

"Garrulo"?

According to the article:

"They are mostly known for their unusual "garrulo" monster costumes and lyrical themes."

I can't find the word "garrulo" used in English. In Italian, it appears to be name of a small bird. Searches for "garrullo", "garullo", and "garulo" also fail to find anything monster-related. Therefore, I'm removing this term from the article until someone can provide a cite for this usage. -- Karada 09:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

12 points from Greece

Despite, or maybe due to, the controversy, Greece ended up awarding Lordi 12 points, the highest possible, in the contest final.

yup... that, AND the fact that Cyprus was disqualified for the finals! (Of course, I can't write that in the article, but practically every Greek knows that's the case). Granted, there was quite a "VOTE LORDI!" internet campaign in greek cyberspace, with quite a few websites supporting Lordi - either as an "attack" to the tradition of Eurovision altogether or as a reaction to religious smartasses (*bleep*)... but had Cyprus participated, they would have received 12 points regardless of performance. Nepotism is very strong in this matter. --Toredid 13:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

don't be so sure, I voted for Lordi in the semi final while I'm greek.

Most people in Greece were fed up with bland Eurovision songs but most of all with the days and days and days of stupid media coverage and wanted to teach all the self-important media people a lesson. Seeing their faces and comments after Lordi's win is priceless. Apart from that, I know that there was a very good chance that Finland would get the 12 points even if Cyprus were present because Greece traditionally has one of the strongest hard rock/metal audiences in Europe. --   Avg    05:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

There's no denying that a lot of people in Greece think this way (including myself), but personally I doubt it's the majority of voters. Of course, we will never know what would happen if Cyprus had participated, but based on previous history of the contest, I find it very hard to believe that such a lasting "tradition" would break for the sake of "Lordi". In the history of Eurovision, both Greece and Cyprus have consistently awarded each other with 12 points, even when Greece's song (almost) hit bottom in 1998. After all, Cyprus still gave us 12 points and there's no reason to think they were any less impressed by Lordi! --Toredid 11:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Picture

That picture is obsolete, it shows former band members and fails to show current band members. Does someone have a picture showing all of, and only, Mr. Lordi, Amen, Kita, Ox, and Awa? JIP | Talk 19:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Someone in Helsinki on Friday ought to be able to snap some free pictures. Unfortunately I won't be around, otherwise I'd definitely take some myself. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 07:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Videos

"Bringing back the balls to rock" is not official music video but a live performance from Finnish Eurovision. Should be removed. Lossi 19:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Ox

Does anyone know "Ox"'s real name? After doing a little bit of googling, I can't find it, but if anyone can enlighten us it would be great. Don't worry, I've got my anti-fanboy, blast furnace tested flamesuit on if that becomes necessary when someone complains re unmasking. Duke toaster 20:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

No. In any case there is no way you could find it anywhere that got past WP:V.Geni 20:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh no, what are we gonna do!? Maybe you could just ask them... :) 80.186.62.184 21:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Satan Band?

Are they really a Satan band? I kind of doubt it looking at the lyrics of Hard Rock Hallelujah, but I was just curious. --D-Day^{(Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?, on WHEELS?!}) 16:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Nope. --Harriv 17:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Lordi unmasked!

This week's 7 päivää (a paparazzi magazine) prominently showed a picture that they claim to be Mr. Lordi, a.k.a. Tomi Putaansuu, without a mask. I didn't read the article, but it was hard to avoid getting a good look at the picture on the cover. The man is certainly very handsome, but I am deeply ashamed of the Finnish press, if they are so eager of sensationalism that they have to ignore Lordi's wishes and insult the band this way. If Lordi decides to sue the magazine, I'll be backing the band up all the way. JIP | Talk 17:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

The image was already published in the German Bild-Zeitung. It was first published in Helsingin Sanomat newspaper in the late 1990s when Putaansuu exhibited his Kiss tattoos. But is still doesn't make their action acceptable, especially as they will make a lot of money from it.--JyriL ^talk 18:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

This is not our problem. Image unlikely to count as fair use an not particuarly relivant to the article.Geni 18:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I changed the Costumes chapter a few days ago so it mentions the "incident". Don't think it's worth discussing further, unless the address collected in Finland happens to somehow affect the magazine (even then, it's not strictly Lordi-related) Pasi 18:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the picture they published from like 1999? He looks pretty young in it - now he'd be around 7 years older than in the pic... --HJV 20:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Amen's identity?

On the page it says band member Amen has a Finnish name, and would be obviously a Finnish guy. But on Dutch TV a guy was interviewed who was said to be Amen, and he appeared to be a Dutch guy, by the name of Gerrie Wessels. Can anyone confirm this?

It has to be the guy that says he's not Amen, or the guy that is mentioned in this Wikipedia article, or... Point is, there will be and are quite a few persons said to be [insert Lordi member here] therefore reliable references has to be put forward, or the names removed from the article. I don't trust the entertainment section of a newspaper as reliable source, of course opinions differ here. 130.232.94.72 22:19, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

But does anybody know if Lordi consists of only Finnish members?

http://www.iltalehti.fi/osastot/lordi/200605240104915_lo.shtml

"Living in Finland" atleast according to the newspaper. Lordi, 32, originally from Rovaniemi, living in Helsinki, is a storyboard illustrator (you can find a pencil drawing of a bulldog by him if you google - not surprising as he is a bulldog breeder). Apart from bulldogs he is an avid Kiss-fan and started the 'kiss Army' chapter in Finland in is youth. (Also explains the backup vocalists makeup in the Eurovision)Kita, 32, originally from Vantaa, living in Karkkila, is a studio technician, he's worked among other things as a church youth councellor. Awa, 27, originally from Porvoo, living in Helsinki, is a social sciences student finishing her thesis. Ox, 30, originally from Espoo, is a musician, he's studied at LA Musicians Institute in his twenties. Amen, 33, originally from Mäntsälä, living in Helsinki, is an IT engineer specializing in digital technology, he's just recently handed over the Lordi www-site to others for updating and now relaxes with his boxer 'Stanley'.

So I'd say everything is possible if the "Dutch guy" also does 'Nordic Walking' and has participated in the Finlandia-skiing.

Cheers, Hank W.

Real Lordi Unmasked Picture

The link to that German sewer tabloid that dared make a real picture of Mr. Lordi and breach his privacy no longer works. "Dieses Bild ist nicht mer verfügbar" Lordi 1 - 0 Geeks and Whorenalists. Maybe it's time now by Wikipedia policy to remove that link. -- 81.241.181.3 22:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)