Talk:Lost Cosmonauts

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Hoax accusations?[edit]

Bondarenko and Illyushen are real. As for the others, theres alot on the austronautix page about them, but some of the ones on there are works of fiction. It's good about telling you which ones however.

Bit harsh to suggest its a hoax.

"Theory" vs. "Story" ???[edit]

Rather than titling these events, reports, hoaxes, etc. as "theories", shouldn't they be labeled more correctly as "stories"? "Theory", while vague, lends creditability to them. I propose changing. Comments are welcome.--S. Rich 20:18, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Unknown couple (February 24, 1961)[edit]

The article states "There were reports of a couple launched on February 17, 1961 aboard a Lunik spacecraft orbiting the earth, reporting "Everything is satisfactory, we are orbiting the earth." at regular intervals." How is it possible that cosmonauts launched aboard a Lunik spacecraft, wasn't this an unmanned probe? ViennaUK (talk) 15:46, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Do you think such details would stop conspiracy theorists? Sharpfang (talk) 14:39, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Main source: an Italian newspaper?[edit]

This article currently reads as if the main source of the lost cosmonaut stories is an American newspaper article in 1961; but this source indicates actually the stories originated in the Italian news agency Continentale in December 1959 (which apparently also cites a "high-ranking Czech communist" as a source). Can anyone give a more specific citation for the Continentale news story (which is probably in Italian)? Is it cited by the 1961 American newspaper article? Mlm42 (talk) 05:08, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

"sources" section[edit]

I don't think the "sources for claims of failed space flights" section belongs in the article itself, certainly not as the first thing, as most of its claims are repeated in the later body of the text. I'm moving it here for the time being. Florestanová (talk) 01:01, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Sources for supposed incidents in space[edit]

Parade Magazine[edit]

Parade Magazine, a Sunday newspaper supplement in many U.S. newspapers, carried an article on Sunday, March 26, 1961, titled, "As many as seven men and women may already have soared into outer space—and died there" by Jack Anderson, Parade Washington correspondent, page 11.

Anderson went on to report rumors of dead cosmonauts from behind the Iron Curtain, some from Czech sources, and listed the names and fates of four cosmonauts:

  • Aleksei Ledovsky rode a rocket 200 miles into space on a suborbital flight in 1957. "That was the last heard of him."
  • Terenty Shiborin suffered the same fate.
  • Andrei Mikov was launched in a rocket in January 1959 that exploded.
  • Maria Gromova died in a rocket powered aircraft similar to the X-15.[1]

Associated Press[edit]

In late May, 1963, many newspapers carried an Associated Press article reporting that five or more cosmonauts had perished on spaceflights. This story was attributed to the New York Journal-American. It reported that NASA assistant administrator George L Simson, Jr. had told a congressional subcommittee on Friday, May 24, 1963, there had been Soviet failures, but refused to give further details in public. He reportedly was willing to testify more fully in a closed session.

The AP story reported the New York Journal-American claimed a congressional source had said that there was an admission of Soviet manned space failures but a "top secret" label had been placed on the number.

The AP story went on to quote the New York American-Journal claims that tracking stations working for NASA reported the following record of Russian space efforts:

  • Cosmonaut Serenty Shiborin was launched in January 1959. Signals went dead after 28 minutes and he was never heard from again.
  • Cosmonaut Piotr Dolgov was launched October 11, 1960. After 30 minutes signals were lost.
  • Cosmonaut Vassilievitch Zowodovsky was launched in April 1961 and signals were lost almost immediately.
  • Two persons were launched together in the same spacecraft, (one female), on May 17, 1961. Signals and conversations were heard for a few minutes, then silence.

The article also mentioned that cosmonauts Alexei Belokonev, Ivan Kaschen, Alexis Gratzev and Jennady Michailov were no longer being mentioned in the Soviet press, although they had been frequently mentioned in the past in laudatory terms.[2]

Pravda[edit]

An article published in the English language edition of Pravda[3] in April 2001, forty years after Gagarin's successful orbit, gave some details about the three cosmonauts reputed to have been lost in earlier missions.

Torre Bert recordings[edit]

The Torre Bert listening station in northern Italy purportedly picked up several transmissions from Soviet spacecraft. These included transmissions of voices requesting assistance, fading vital signs and information indicating mission failure.

weird Gagarin story[edit]

In the interest of transparency and archive preservation (and not getting called out for overzealous deletion) I'm also moving the very bizarre entry about Gagarin and Seryogin here. I'm not even sure what the point here is--that Yuri died on the moon? Florestanová (talk) 01:07, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Yuri Gagarin and Vladimir Seryogin (March 27, 1968)[edit]

Some sources claims that first cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin with second test-pilot Vladimir Seryogin did not die in the crash of their Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15 fighter during a training flight on March 27, 1968.

At this time Soviet Union and United States were in a race to the moon. In its the first phase of its manned moon-flyby phase, the Soviets conducted unmanned tests of the L1/Zond spacecraft for flights around the Moon. According to rumors, on March 2, 1968, the Soviets launched a manned Zond 4 with Gagarin and Seryogin aboard. After a successful flight around the moon, Zond 4 crashed on March 7, 1968, during its return to Earth. Official announcements say that this Zond 4 was an unmanned, automatic test flight, which ended with its intentional destruction because its recovery trajectory positioned it over the Atlantic Ocean instead of over the USSR.

In 1963–1967, Yuri Gagarin was head of a team of cosmonauts slated for two Soviet flyby and landing manned moon missions. The first open announcement about this was made by Tereshkova during her visit to Cuba. After the declassifying of Soviet manned moon program files in 1989, it was officially reported that he was present at the Baykonur cosmodrome on March 27, 1968, with Valery Bykovsky to observe a launch, not to take part in one.

It was also officially reported that the crew for the first manned L1/Zond spacecraft included Alexey Leonov and Valery Bykovsky. Vladimir Seryogin was not a member of any team of cosmonauts. At the time, the L1/Zond spacecraft was not yet ready for manned missions, after 5 unsuccessful and partially successful unmanned test launches: Cosmos 146 on March 10, 1967, Cosmos 154 on April 8, 1967, undesignated Zond 1967A September 27, 1967, undesignated Zond 1967B on November 22, 1967, and L1/Zond on April 23, 1968. The March mission was the first flight under the designation "Zond." It seems unlikely that the April 23, 1968, attempt would have occurred so soon after a failed, manned mission. Later L1/Zond spacecraft made only unmanned flights, including one suspected by the U.S. as being manned.


communications blackout[edit]

The fragment "there is a communications blackout" suggests that this is by design or decree when really it is a technological limitation due to charged particles in the atmosphere. See: Communications_blackout#Spacecraft_reentry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.104.247.101 (talk) 18:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

typos?[edit]

attitude => altitude ? ...the retro-rockets had fired in the wrong attitude, making recovery efforts unsuccessful... 81.71.202.71 (talk) 21:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

N1 Rockets Conspiracy[edit]

I'm surprised there is no mention of the NK-33 rockets engines (lunar engines) and their 'destruction'. They were ordered and reported destroyed when the soviet lunar program was covered up. But a minor bureaucrat, noticing how expensive they were, quietly sent them to a warehouse where they were lost for 30 years. When they were rediscovered, one was successfully tested and over half were sold to a company in California. These engines were used as prototypes for new slightly modified designs but also put into rockets and successfully launched. When people claim we 'know everything' now about the soviet space program they should be reminded that no one knew, no one in the program, no one in charge in or out of the program, no one associated with the space program, for 30 years, about sixty extant NK-33 rocket engines.

It's hard to fathom an equivalent secret associate with NASA. I suppose if someone in 2041 finds a warehouse of fully operational Lockheed Martin VentureStars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.106.46.59 (talk) 21:27, 19 October 2016 (UTC)