Talk:Louis, Grand Dauphin

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This article relies on one monograph, Dunlop's biography of Louis XIV. There are no primary sources for this article. Many of the sections make statements that lack citations and sources. --E. Lighthart (talk) 14:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

This article is written in such a way that one can make neither head nor tail of it. After reading the following, and spending a couple of hours trying to edit it, I gave up & went for a walk...
Louis, Dauphin of France (1 November 1661 - 14 April 1711) was the eldest son and heir of Louis XIV, King of France and his Queen, Marie-Thérèse d'Autriche. Born the heir-apparent of the King of France, Louis was a fils de France and was styled "Dauphin of France" from the day of his birth; he is popularly known as The Grand Dauphin (le Grand Dauphin in French); this is not from any sense of "greatness", rather, it is due to his large physical size. It was foretold at his birth that, before he died, he would be "son of a king, father of a king, but never a king".
Within two lines he is mentioned twice as the *heir*, both unnecessary since he is the *Dauphin de France* (also mentioned twice within three lines + *Grand Dauphin* with its translation in French), thus the "heir to the throne of France".
Next paragraph is very difficult to read & confusing:
Louis was born a year after his parents were married. His paternal grandparents were Louis XIII of France and Anne of Austria; he was descended, on his mother's side, from Philip IV of Spain and Elisabeth of Bourbon. Louis XIII and Elisabeth of Bourbon were siblings (the children of Henri IV of France and Marie de' Medici), as were Anne of Austria and Philip IV, who were the children of Philip III of Spain and Margaret of Austria. Thus, Louis' parents were double-first-cousins.
The whole article needs a major overhaul, thus "time". Frania W. (talk) 14:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

While I cannot dispute that this article may need work, it is not by any stretch of the imagination a "stub" Elighthart has been going round and tagging articles with multiple stub tags and multiple reference tags, despite requests to desist. I have set this back to start and removed some of the reference tags in the article itself. Note: My wife spotted this and brought it to my attention... ++Lar: t/c 21:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Tag factual accuracy of this section is disputed should be removed from Birth and ancestors and Education. Frania W. (talk) 17:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved, using suggestion from discussion below. - GTBacchus(talk) 04:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Louis, Dauphin of France (1661–1711)Louis, le Grand Dauphin

  • Removal of dates from title, article and redirection pages should be swapped Redgolpe (talk) 09:12, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Support, I suppose; most common name, and this is clearly a case where we should ignore rules and go for a case-by-case solution. What do we do for his great-grandson, though? john k (talk) 18:18, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Support dates are a last resort for disambiguation. PatGallacher (talk) 18:34, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.