Talk:Luigi Cherubini

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I am not an expert on Cherubini, but within two paragraphs, it is mentioned that he was admired by his contemporaries, and that he was not popular among them. There seems to be a slight contradiction; slight in that, I recognise admiration by Beethoven does not imply wide popularity. Still I feel someone knowledgeable has to edit these passages, so that any contradiction is removed.

Hello, 62.38.105.16 (may I call you 62?). It's not inconceivable that someone could be admired but not popular with contemporaries. Your music might be admired but your personality might be such that you had few friends. However, I've made a couple of alterations which I hope will soften the contrast. --GuillaumeTell 15:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

String Quartet #6 - Year of Composition in List[edit]

Wasn't this actually composed in 1837 rather than 1835? This appears to be an error, after listing #4 and #4 from 1835 correctly, the person just hastily did #6 the same as well. Smyslov 17:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another composer with absolutely no op.(us) numbers[edit]

Could this also be put into the article? Well, I mean, it's rather unusual isn't it? Normally, opus names were even used at this era. -andy 92.229.88.61 (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it could. Go ahead and do it. --Folantin (talk) 16:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cherubini's modern reputation[edit]

Beethoven regarded him as the greatest of his contemporaries, but today he's very obscure. What happened? Some explanation is needed. PiCo (talk) 10:10, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comic operas[edit]

I don't want to be a prodnose but how did Cherubini come to write his "only comic work" in 1783 and then, only two years later, follow it with an "opera buffa" for the King's Theatre in London? Not to mention "Ali Baba" in the 1830s - which admittedly Berlioz did not find very funny. Perhaps the King's Theatre piece wasn't all that funny either?Croy379 (talk) 20:18, 13 January 2011 (UTC) croy379 (I don't know whether I'm logged in or not, but it would seem back references to the text under discussion from this page cancel out logging in. Surely they shouldn't).[reply]

I've fixed the comic opera statement. Ali Baba, despite its title, is a tragédie lyrique, not necessarily funny (but not necessarily tragic, either). --GuillaumeTell 22:17, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Missa in a major / Credo for eight voices[edit]

Hello;

reading this entry, I am wondering about this composition/date of composition; may be a mistake? Whats the NGM opinion about this? I added a notice of a Credo for which I didn´t find further details.

Regards--Nolispy (talk) 23:25, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

10 years late, but why not. Cherubini's Mass no. 3 in A-Major was written in 1825 for a three-part choir, it was for the coronation of Charles X of France. (Sources: Here gives the date of creation, and it says coronation mass, and IMSLP and Here say it was a three part choir. However, the article does list "Mass in A for three voices (1809, dubious)" as a work, which I will just assume is separate, Here mentions the first New York performance of the mass, and says it was dedicated to king Charles X, presumably of France because that was the year he was coronated, although since this is in snippet view I can't find out more details about the New York Premiere), this is all from a quick view from Google Books, so you can probably find more information there. If you are interested, here is a video showing the sheet music and the performance of the mass. Thanks - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 03:07, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

French pronunciation[edit]

Since he worked in France a lot, I wondered how the French pronounced his name (and also how do the English pronounce is his name for that matter). 81.68.255.36 (talk) 20:12, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In UK I've only heard pronounced in a roughly-correct version, perhaps with the "u" relegated to an "uh", stress on the third syllable: kɛrəˈbini almost-instinct 10:54, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

maestro al cembalo[edit]

I am not sure 'maestro al cembalo' translates as 'master of the harpsichord'. I've always been under the impression that it means 'conductor from the harpsichord', given that orchestras in the baroque era were rather small and were probably conducted/directed by the continuo player (h'chord). Any thoughts on that? --Chrysalifourfour (talk) 16:08, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've always thought the same. However, my elderly Blom, Eric (1971). Everyman's Dictionary of Music, 5th edition, revised by Sir Jack Westrup. London: J M Dent & Sons Limited. ISBN 0-460-02151-6. says: "Maestro al cembalo (It. lit. 'master at the harpsichord'), in the late 17th and 18th cents, the harpsichord player who not only played continuo in the orch. but also acted as asst. to the cond. and helped to coach singers."

I've also looked at the article "Continuo" in Grove Opera, where in the C18, apparently, there were two keyboard instruments, one played by the conductor and a second played by the "accompanist", each supported by other continuo instruments. After the mid-century "a single keyboard ... was the most typical in opera layouts" (and there's a lot more where that came from). Hope this helps? --GuillaumeTell 16:06, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So then, is it okay if I changed the phrasing a bit? --Chrysalifourfour (talk) 17:35, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK by me, certainly, unless you want to wait a bit to see if anyone else has anything to say. --GuillaumeTell 18:01, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

From the New Grove: A title applied in musical parlance in several senses, to refer to a composer, a virtuoso, a teacher (maestro di canto fermo, ‘master of plainchant’; maestro dei putti, ‘master of the boys’), an instrument maker, a conductor or a leader of an ensemble, as in concertmaster, maestro al cembalo (leader of the 18th-century Italian opera orchestra), and particularly maestro di cappella (It.) and its equivalents maestro de capilla (Sp.), maître de chapelle (Fr.) and Kapellmeister (Ger.). I suppose this resolves any question. --Chrysalifourfour (talk) 10:09, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Assimiliation / Assimilation[edit]

Spell checking points to the second word as correct. Opinions? --Chrysalifourfour (talk) 14:52, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Second word is correct. Someone got mixed up with Humiliation, I'm guessing. --GuillaumeTell 15:47, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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