Talk:M109 howitzer

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
WikiProject Military history (Rated C-Class)
MILHIST This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.
C This article has been rated as C-Class on the quality assessment scale.
WikiProject Tanks (Rated C-class, Mid-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Tanks, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Tanks on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Mid  This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.


I changed "now outdated M109" to just M109. Just because one new weapon is superior to the paladin doesn't make it completley outdated- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg 07:17, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Article name[edit]

This article is about the history of the M109 self-propelled howitzer. Only the M109A6 carries the name "Paladin" and I think personally that the article should be changed to M109 or M109 self-propelled howitzer. -- Thatguy96 16:48, 15 May 2006

I agree completely. I've gone ahead and made the move; I can't see any logical objection. TomTheHand 20:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Please also change the redirects to the new article name - you seem to have forgotten this. (See What links here)--Denniss 21:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I'll see if I can tackle that tomorrow if I have time and nobody else has the will. M109 howitzer has far more links than M109 Paladin anyway; we're in a better place redirect-wise after this move even without a single fix ;-) TomTheHand 02:19, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Recent Israeli use[edit]

There should be something in this article about the recent use of this weapons system by the IDF in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon crisis, as it seems they are currently being used on-mass to Bombard southern Lebanon.--Hibernian 02:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


What is an FDC? —Brim 02:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Never mind. I answered my own question. —Brim 03:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

M109A6 not exclusive to US?[edit]

"It has been continually upgraded and improved to today's current version, the M109A6 "Paladin" which is only used by the US Army." states that "delivery of M109A6 units started in 2003"

I'm wondering which one is right. -- MiG 15:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Crew amount[edit]

I was on the M109A3, M109A5, and M109A6. A gun section and a gun crew are not the same thing. A gun section actually consists of two vehicles: the M109 (the "gun") and the M992 FAASV (the ammo vehicle). The gun crew on the guns up to the M109A6 consisted of the section chief, the gunner, the assistant gunner, the number one cannoneer, and the driver. The M109A6 Paladin eliminated the assistant gunner position. The ammunition team constitutes the remainder of the section and they are the crew of the FAASV (usually two, occasionally three ammunition handlers). In the "old days," the men in the ammunition team were the number two, three, and four cannoneers. This is where the term "number one man" comes from.

To summarize:

All models of the M109 up to and including the M109A5 have a crew of five: Section chief, gunner, assistant gunner, number one cannoneer, driver. The M109A6 Paladin has a crew of four: Section chief, gunner, number one cannoneer, driver. (talk) 02:15, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Info box states a crew of eight: chief, driver, 3 cannoneers, 3 gunners.

The text says The crew of the M109 consists of a section chief, driver, three cannoneers who prepare the ammunition, load, and fire the weapon, and two gunners who aim the cannon.The gunner aims the cannon left or right (deflection), the assistant gunner aims the cannon up and down (quadrant). The M109A6 Paladin needs only one cannoneer and two ammunition handlers for a total crew of six.

The first statement talks about two gunners, and the mention about the upgraded Paladin is really talking about five crew members: chief, driver, cannoneer and two ammunition handlers. Which one of these three is the right statement?

The crew size for the M109A6 is incorrect. The crew consists of one chief of section, one driver, one gunner, and a fourth cannoneer commonly referred to as the "number one man." —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:58, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

As I remember, there is the section chief who verifies fuze setting, shell type and charge, the gunner who loads the powder and closes the breach, the number one man who sets the fuze, loads the shell, primes the cannon and pulls the lanyard, and the driver for a total crew of four. (talk) 18:10, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

NLOS-C cancelled[edit]

So I omitted the part about NLOS-Cs replacing Paladins in 2014. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paranoia71792 (talkcontribs) 13:24, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Egyptian modifications[edit]

Does anyone have access to a reliable source about some M109s that have been modified by the Egyptians? I saw some pictures on a particular military picture-related website (one which fails WP:RS) of M109s with a fixed turret/superstructure and mounting (what was said to be) a Soviet-style 122mm howitzer. If good sources could be found, it would certainly be worth including in the article.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 17:01, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Blacklisted Links Found on the Main Page[edit]

Cyberbot II has detected that page contains external links that have either been globally or locally blacklisted. Links tend to be blacklisted because they have a history of being spammed, or are highly innappropriate for Wikipedia. This, however, doesn't necessarily mean it's spam, or not a good link. If the link is a good link, you may wish to request whitelisting by going to the request page for whitelisting. If you feel the link being caught by the blacklist is a false positive, or no longer needed on the blacklist, you may request the regex be removed or altered at the blacklist request page. If the link is blacklisted globally and you feel the above applies you may request to whitelist it using the before mentioned request page, or request its removal, or alteration, at the request page on meta. When requesting whitelisting, be sure to supply the link to be whitelisted and wrap the link in nowiki tags. The whitelisting process can take its time so once a request has been filled out, you may set the invisible parameter on the tag to true. Please be aware that the bot will replace removed tags, and will remove misplaced tags regularly.

Below is a list of links that were found on the main page:

    Triggered by \barmy-technology\.com\b on the local blacklist

If you would like me to provide more information on the talk page, contact User:Cyberpower678 and ask him to program me with more info.

From your friendly hard working bot.—cyberbot II NotifyOnline 11:33, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

 Resolved This issue has been resolved, and I have therefore removed the tag, if not already done. No further action is necessary.—cyberbot II NotifyOnline 19:10, 9 April 2014 (UTC)