Talk:M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle

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SCAR Article[edit]

This page should be reinstated in the SCAR article IMO. Koalorka (talk) 14:12, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

The M27 is an HK416-derived firearm. It has nothing to do with the SCAR. Spartan198 (talk) 14:58, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Merge with HK416[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was to not merge the articles. Based on the discussion here, there is clearly no consensus to merge. PhilKnight (talk) 21:39, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Unless some source can show some real difference between them, there is no reason this should have an article of its own. BP OMowe (talk) 00:50, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Better to keep it separate to future proof both articles. Its a US military system and is bound to be tinkered with in future. To try and keep the article updated would make the HK416 a mess (and too US-centric). (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:13, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Merging with HK416 is not a good idea because it can ruin that page. minjeus02 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:06, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

If HK 416 and M27 IAR are joined, then others like M4 Carbine and Mk12 SPR will need to be combined. Grizzly chipmunk (talk) 14:36, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Keep the articles separate. Rackham (talk) 21:55, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Keep them separate. They're meant for different purposes. Are we going to join the HK416 and HK417 articles as well? After all, its only a caliber and barrel length difference. No, we aren't. Stratocaster27t@lk 06:52, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

They should be separate, as the M27 has real difference - the piston chamber is a few millimeters wider than on a 416, a modification requested by the USMC to make the weapon more reliable when sand/small particles get in the piston system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:52, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

M249 Replacement[edit]

Using the article as the source, I am adding a paragraph to "History" section regarding the adoption of the M27. It may be significant enough to merit its own section, or at least to divide the History section into pre- and post-adoption subsections. I won't do it now, but it's worth thinking about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IRSpeshul (talkcontribs) 04:58, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

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Rate of fire?[edit]

Am I the only one who notices how it can't be 580-640 rpm if it's a variant of the HK416 (850 rpm)? Someone please provide a source. →εϻαdιν ΤαΙk Ͼδητrιβμτιoης 12:17, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Just because another variant fires at 850 RPM doesn't mean this one does. It needs a source for any RPM figure, yours or the other. Herr Gruber (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Also, why isn't the semi-automatic fire mode mentioned in this article?

It looks a lot more like a replacement for the M4 than the SAW. Hcobb (talk) 22:35, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
A rate of fire of 580-640 rpm would make zero sense for a squad automatic weapon role. How can it be used in than role if its rate of fire is lower than that of the standard assault rifle? Of course, the idea of a squad automatic weapon that relies on 30-round magazines is also nonsensical, so really the entire procurement is a boondoggle, but that's another topic entirely. (talk) 15:18, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Most weapons of Russian/Soviet origin have a fire rate of ~600 rpm, including the RPK, which can be classified as a SAW. It is not rate of fire, but whether automatic fire is used. Most assault rifles are kept on semi-automatic for controllability. Grizzly chipmunk (talk) 15:58, 28 February 2014 (UTC) The rate of fire is roughly 720 rounds per minute.

The rate of fire is roughly 720 rounds per minute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:55, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

The barrel[edit]

Do M27 use heavy barrel? Its heavier than M4/M16 barrel but according to some sources [1], it uses standard barrel profile, not heavy barrel and its barrel and the HK416 D16.5RS barrel have the same barrel profile. Is M27 barrel heavier than 16,5" HK416 barrel? - Avatar896 20:06, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

According to your source, it has the same barrel as the HK416, which is not a heavy barrel. Maybe it has to do with the HK416 barrel being heavier than M4/M16 barrels, while not being technically a "heavy" barrel. America789 (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
From my reading, the barrel is the same as the 416D, which is somewhat heavier I believe... -- (talk) 22:03, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Displacement Speed ?[edit]

Anyone care to expand on what 'displacement speed' means (1st paragraph) ? ahpook (talk) 16:28, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

I've never heard the term...I'll remove it for clarity. Stratocaster27t@lk 17:20, 2 June 2014 (UTC)