Talk:Marius Borg Høiby

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Status of Marius

It is in fact not up to the Crown Prince or even the King whether Marius gets a royal title. When asked whether the crown prince had any intention of adopting Mette-Marit's son, Haakon Magnus has made it very clear this was not an option being considered - the boy has a father and a mother who by all accounts get along well. From what I understand, the constitution and custom is not clear about adoption in any event; so anything about this is pure speculation. I don't think we should contribute to the endless speculation that the tabloid press perpetuates in Norway and should leave the matter alone, as it has - at least at the moment - no political or constitutional relevance. --Leifern 23:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Might he be given some kind of noble title (duke of blah blah, etc.) to indicate his closeness to the royal family? Or are such titles no longer in use in Norway? --Jfruh (talk) 01:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, such titles are no longer in use in Norway. It is highly unlikely that the King will ever give him any noble title, and it seems clear that the royal family prepares him for a normal civilian life for the future. He is a fully integrated member of the private royal family, but not part of the official royal family. Cato from Oslo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.209.249.161 (talk) 09:45, August 19, 2006 (UTC)

He's not a member of the royal family, he has nothing to do with the royal family and is not a royal or a noble (Norway has no nobility and Borg is not a noble family anyway). He's considered a private citizen like anyone else and has no role whatsoever related to the royal family. It's not just "highly unlikely" that the King will grant him a noble title, it's completely out of the question because the Constitution forbids it and the institution of nobility was abolished by an 1821 law. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Janeir (talk • contribs) 21:33, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think that is not altogether true. Otherwise the royal palace wouldn't have issued the "Master" title for him. __meco (talk) 22:19, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The title "Master" is used in most upper middle and upper class families in Europe, North America and other nations in the Commonwealth around the world and simply indicates that the individual is a male under the age of majority, usually 18. "Master John Smith" is used until John Smith reaches the age of majority, which is almost everywhere 18 (I think there are a few jurisdictions where majority is reached at 16 and a few others where it is 21) when John Smith becomes "Mister (abbr Mr.) John Smith". It is simply an age indicator.

The only possible title that might be given to Marius Borg Høiby (and our Norwegian friends might be able to speak more authoritatively about this) is perhaps "The Honourable (The Hon.) Marius Borg Høiby". I know that the UK monarchy do that for individuals who are a part of the extended royal family but don't have any higher title. I am not sure if that kind of courtesy appellation is possible in Norway, as it is not specifically noble. Norwegians, help us Swedes out here :-) ! The Moody Blue (Talk) 22:19, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"The Honourable" is not a title given by the British royal family to members who have no higher title. It is a title for the younger sons of earls and for the children of viscounts and barons. There are several members of the British royal family who are just plain "Mr." or "Miss" or "Mrs." They do not hold the "Honourable" title.2602:306:35F8:1730:D8A1:3780:60E0:A9B6 (talk) 16:57, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Norway does not use pretentious titles. Even the equivalents of Mr. and Miss or Mrs. were abolished over half a century ago in formal usage. No person in Norway is legally anything else than their name, except perhaps the titled royals. Høiby is not royal, not of royal descent, not a public figure and has no public role, as stressed by the royal family. Norway does not have any such title as "Master", it's simply the English version of "Mr." when applied to a boy and may be used for any person, it's not a formal title or a title that is awarded by anyone. He is not "Master" in Norwegian, altough someone might informally have referred to him as such in English when he was a boy. --Sveinkros (talk) 19:39, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He is, however, listed as a member of the Royal Family on their official website, and as such the article should refer to him as a member of the Royal Family regardless of our subjective opinions of his person. -- Lilduff90 (talk) 08:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bias and tone

I would like to remind the other editors in here that despite our differing views on Marius Høiby as a person and character, the article should remain objective and factually neutral. This was my intention when I made the article, and I have just done extensive editing to bring it back to just that.-- Lilduff90 (talk) 08:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diplomatic passport

Newspaper VG.no had an article today,

https://www.vg.no/rampelys/i/KML8ee/kronprins-haakon-om-marius-borg-hoeiby-det-er-en-alvorlig-sak
. Until now it looks like this wiki-article has been using Se og Hør as its inline source.--Good luck about leaning heavily onto that ("Se og Hør") crappy but entertaining source.--I expect to be busy fixing other articles. 80.67.37.2 (talk) 12:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bias of lede, and undue in lede

The article's second sentence says, "He is the son of Mette-Marit Tjessem Høiby from her previous relationship with convicted felon Morten Borg".--Not even sure if any convictions in Norway, are considered felony - by experts of jurisprudence (Norway).--Please move that felony stuff out of the lede (or to the talk page), while I am busy fixing other articles.--I hope to be back soon, to help with this article in other ways. 2001:2020:317:ACB3:B1AC:69D6:5BD0:8FB1 (talk) 15:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Overkill in infobox?

Please move to talk page, from infobox:

"Criminal charge: Violence, assault, battery and threats (charged 2024); drug possession (convicted 2017)".--Possible justification: "Overkill, about the stepson of Norway's next-in-line-to-become-king". 2001:2020:317:ACB3:B1AC:69D6:5BD0:8FB1 (talk) 16:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All of that, i think can be mentioned in other sections of the article. 2001:2020:317:ACB3:B1AC:69D6:5BD0:8FB1 (talk) 16:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Norwegianism?

Needs to be changed to English-for-an-encyclopedia:
"A few days later, it was reported that the victim was an ex-girlfriend after his mother, the crown princess, was revealed to have contacted her via telephone to discuss the charges, ...".--Please fix it, if need be, (while i fix other articles). Thanks. 2001:2020:317:ACB3:B1AC:69D6:5BD0:8FB1 (talk) 16:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unbloating article

Move to talk page. Justification: So what, people in high society, have acquaintances from all walks of life.
"German media published an article that featured Høiby partying with his "criminal friends."^[1] Among those included in the article were alt-right blogger Danby Choi, who complained over what he alleged was his depiction as criminal."^[2]

Move to talk page. Justification: largely in article already. Date of trial and/or handed down verdict, has not been decided (as of 2024).
"In 2024, Høiby again entered the media spotlight after being charged with violence, assault and battery against several ex-partners, as well as making threats."^[3]^[4]" 2001:2020:353:C55B:94BC:64A9:4C49:CCA9 (talk) 18:13, 19 September 2024 (UTC) 2001:2020:353:C55B:94BC:64A9:4C49:CCA9 (talk) 18:13, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Refs

^ "Drogen, Knast, Körperverletzung: 224 Päckchen Kokain – Marius' kriminelle Freunde ... drei seiner engsten Kumpel sind verurteilt". Retrieved 26 August 2024.
^ "Tyske Bild om Høibys «kriminelle» venner – bak sladden er Danby Choi". Retrieved 26 August 2024.
^ Johnsen, Ørjan Greiff (2024-08-16). "Et monarki i dyp, selvforskyldt krise". Nettavisen (in Norwegian). Retrieved 2024-08-16.
^ Cite error: The named reference threats was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Remove wikinews

"Royal commentator Sebastian Mattsson said Marius Høiby is viewed as the black sheep among the extended family of the royals due to his many scandals and controversies, but highlighting the 2024 charges as a new low".--The source does not seem notable, and Sebastian Mattsson does not seem notable.--The article already is telling about drug conviction in 2017 (without telling if it concerns a 'single leaf of grass' or whatever). The article tells about charges in 2024.--The article already tells about specifics; there is no need to bloat the article with non-specific "black sheep ideas", by non-notable "commentators" from non-notable sources. 2001:2020:32F:DF08:905C:32A2:12E8:A900 (talk) 02:13, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The half-hour before arrest (August 2024)

His SIM card was removed from his phone by some other person, according to police interrogation; he does not know where the SIM card is.--The source also says something about his mother cleaning his apartment during part of that half hour (while he was in the shower).--This one source, is maybe not indicating major importance in regard to the Sim card and Høiby.--Source,
nrk.no/norge/opplysningar-til-nrk_-marius-borg-hoiby-har-forklart-at-det-ikkje-var-han-som-fjerna-sim-kort-1.17110508
. 2001:2020:323:D547:5509:8997:22C:4E05 (talk) 20:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another source, with similar info,
https://www.nettavisen.no/kjendis/marius-borg-hoiby-har-forklart-at-det-ikke-var-han-som-fjernet-sim-kortet/s/5-95-2109728
. 2001:2020:323:D547:5509:8997:22C:4E05 (talk) 20:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Drogen, Knast, Körperverletzung: 224 Päckchen Kokain – Marius' kriminelle Freunde ... drei seiner engsten Kumpel sind verurteilt". Retrieved 26 August 2024.

[2] "Tyske Bild om Høibys «kriminelle» venner – bak sladden er Danby Choi". Retrieved 26 August 2024.

[3] Johnsen, Ørjan Greiff (2024-08-16). "Et monarki i dyp, selvforskyldt krise". Nettavisen (in Norwegian). Retrieved 2024-08-16.

[threats-4] Cite error: The named reference threats was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

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