Talk:Marzabotto massacre

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why were they massacred? Saccerzd 21:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

So many italians still are doing the same question: why? Basically it was in reprisal of the local support given to the resistance and partisan actions done in particular by the "Stella Rossa" partisan group. The germans were exhasted by the battles after the breakthrough of the gothic line. This gives you the idea of some sort of explanation, but the doesn't really explain why they killed in a barbarian way babies, women, kids, priests. I personally know a person which is still alive (at that time he was 2 years old) because his father came to pick him up away from his uncle (killed in the massacre) from Bologna with a stolen bike because he was feeling something bad was going to happen. "Why?" is still a good question. --Biopresto 13:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Fact is, they weren't massacred. There was no "massacre in Marzabatto". There were however battles against partisans hiding dressed up as civilians. During the battle some civilians were killed, but is collateral damage of legitimate military action against partisans. The story as told with it fictional victim numbers is just propaganda by the Italian left. The partisans were Communists. --41.151.39.92 (talk) 10:08, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Is there a particular reason to mention that 5 of the massacred were priests? How many of them were, say, carpenters, teachers, librarians, plumbers or car mechanics? Naphra 00:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe at the monument in Marzabotto that they include the number of the priests. It is also important because, at least among European and Christian society priests generally are not targeted and such in war when possible. Not that that always happens though. Italy is also a very Cahtolic country, even more so at the time, where the Church and priests are important within society. If a breakdown of victims by occupation can be found then put it in, but priests can be found as it is one that is important enough for the survivors themselves to include.

That's correct. In addition I would say that all men were not there since they were in the army: almost all the victims were children, women and old people. I think it is normal in most countries to consider church and priests not to be normally a target (especially while praying, as it happened).--Biopresto 21:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough. Naphra 19:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

"It was the worst massacre of civilians committed by the Waffen SS in Western Europe during the war" Presumably there were worse massacre of Jews, also citizens. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Codish (talkcontribs) 03:16, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

"Expert Required"?[edit]

The article is still very brief, but it has been modestly expanded since the {expert} tag was put into place last June. The leading problem at that time was the lack of context for the massacre: why did it happen? The article now (very briefly) covers this, and although the article is very much a stub and could certainly use expanding, I propose that the {expert} tag be deleted, as I cannot see what particularly calls for an expert. Mmccalpin 04:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


How many people?[edit]

This makes no sense:

45 were less than 2-years-old, 110 were less than 10-years-old, 95 were less than 16-years-old

If, for example, 110 were less than 10 years old, that same 110 were also less than 16, thus the total under 16 cannot be 95. Whoever has access to the actual numbers should clean this up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.134.23.211 (talk) 16:24, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

In one part of the article it very specifically says 955 people were massacred, in another it is vague and says "it is estimated that over 700 people...".

195.212.29.75 15:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

If we consider the "official" Marzabotto massacre we are talking of people killed between 29/9 and 5/10 1944 in the communes of Marzabotto, Grizzana Morandi and Monzuno (Vado) by the hands of Walter Reider troups. The documentation center of the Parc reports today 770 people massacred; Walter Reder itself wrote a report registering the killing of 718 "bandits". --Biopresto 21:26, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
the "official" number of 1836 victims between civilians concerns all the people killed in the surroundings of Marzabotto in the same lapse of time, so, it's just a "bureaucratic" matter. By the way, it should be useful to correct the paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.27.205.146 (talk) 21:21, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

How is this a "battle"?[edit]

--Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 13:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)