Talk:Maxime Weygand

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Hmm... Weygand in Poland, isn't it verbatim quote from Davies? Szopen

Again, any English reader can confirm this? For me it seems like verbatim quote from Davies book about Polish-Soviet war... Szopen 14:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

09:01, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Why is it surprising that Polish officers in Poland would be speaking in Polish? Why would this be attempting to mislead the reader that this was to exclude Weygand from their military plans?Dr.Dan

Because they know French, and Weygand supposedly was member of the staff, if only adviser. So to not inform him about anything and deliberately NOT to speak French was indeed excluding Weygand from military plansSzopen 11:50, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps it's not obvious to uninformed readers, but the Polish educated people of the time (and officers were such people) spoke French almost commonly. Especially the ones serving in the General Staff, many of whom even graduated from Ecole Supereure de Guerre in Paris. Halibutt 14:15, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Very long-winded on marginal subjects (Polish period, etc.) Heavy-handed irony ("the short but efficient...") Much of the text contradictory and/or confusing. Reads like poor translation from the French.

FRENCH WAS AT THAT TIME SPOKEN IN HIGHER CIRCLES OF THE SOCIETY AND ALMOST EVERY OFFICER HAD A GOOD COMMAND OF IT. SPEAKING POLISH IN FRONT OF A RESPECTED GUEST FROM FRANCE WAS A VERY UNPOLITE BEHAVIOUR. BY THE WAY, THIS PASSUS IS ALMOST ENTIRELY (IF NOT 100 PER CENT ENTIRELY) "STOLEN" FROM NORMAN DAVIES' "WHITE EAGLE - RED STAR" BOOK. Polish-my-Polish

Re the lead art, isn't that Petain, not Weygand? At the very least, you might get a better picture.

• • • You're partly right it's not Weygand but Général Charles Huntziger, heading the IInd French Army and later Pétain's Ministry of Defense before his death in a plane crash in 41. I remote the picture.

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Why did Weygand prevent General Georges from counter attacking the German salient upon taking over from Gamelin, only to reinstate the "order" (which Gamelin had so poorly phrased as to be advice rather than orders) 48 hours later when it was too late ? Was it just to assert his authority ?--Streona (talk) 17:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Possibly. Or, more likely, it was in order to allow the Germans to advance! The overwhelming impression I get of the invasion of France is that certain high-up members of the armed forces and government wanted the Germans to invade - and did all they could to make sure it happened. You have to remember the fear which these people held of their own left-wing. They thought Hitler would be the better of the two options. That he would merely remove the political left of France and then leave this upper class elite to run the country. Obviously they were very wrong. Wembwandt (talk) 09:14, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Citation needed. 2.28.140.201 (talk) 18:04, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

The young Weygand

Was he known as Maxime de Nimal until he was recognised by the elder Weygand? Jackiespeel (talk) 16:52, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Collaborationist or not?

The article says he was arrested after the war, but then cleared of all charges. Also interesting that he was raised in a Jewish household but then appears to have carried out anti-Semitic acts. All this should be better clarified and explained. Beebop211 (talk) 19:32, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Weygand in England

The wiki page on Petain says 'Weygand had been at the British Army 1934 manoeuvres at Tidworth Camp in June and was appalled by what he had seen.'

Could we have some explanation of what he had seen? Valetude (talk) 14:32, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

younger son?

The article says he and his wife "had a younger son Jacques"; did they have an older son too? This is curious phrasing. Biblioteqa (talk) 17:31, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

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Some other biographies in English

Nb, there are some other biographies in English that seem reasonably recent.

• Clayton, Anthony (2015). General Maxime Weygand, 1867–1965: Fortune and Misfortune. Indiana University Press. ISBN 978-0-253-01585-3.
• Singer, Barnett (2008). Maxime Weygand: A Biography of the French General in Two World Wars. McFarland. ISBN 978-0-7864-3571-5.

The former is an Indiana University Press publication. The latter is by, it seems, a professor emeritus at Brock University. The interwar period is not at all my speciality but it seems these sources might be useful. The former seems reasonably cited by others.

There seems to be some criticism of the latter as too hagiographic. Whether that is valid is beyond me to say. Clinton, Michael (2012-03-01). The Historian. 74 (1): 173–174. doi:10.1111/j.1540-6563.2011.00314_61.x. ISSN 0018-2370.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: untitled periodical (link) See also Hage, F E (2011-01-24). French History. 25 (1): 134–135. doi:10.1093/fh/crr012. ISSN 0269-1191.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: untitled periodical (link) Perhaps a bit less condemnatory, Young, Robert J. (2009). The Journal of Military History. 73 (1): 303–304. doi:10.1353/jmh.0.0187. ISSN 1543-7795.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: untitled periodical (link)

Regardless, I would like to see some expansion on the 20 years or so of life Weygand had after 1945. Ifly6 (talk) 20:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, he was very old by then ... My recollection is that he was in serious financial straits as de Gaulle spitefully stopped his pension and he was reliant on friends to pay the rent on his Paris apartment. Or something like that. I read the Barnett Singer biography back in 2017 and still have it close to hand, although I don't really have any plans to work on this article any time soon. The Amazon website informs me that I bought a copy of the Clayton biog in 2015 but as is so often the case I have no recollection of ever doing so and no idea where my copy is! Clayton's book on the French Army in WW1 (very early Noughties) was a bit disappointing. Paulturtle (talk) 22:52, 11 August 2024 (UTC)