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My great grand mother, Mel Bonis, whished to be "Mel Bonis" as a composer. All her compositions are signed Mel Bonis. She would terribly dislike to be exposed to the entire world on wikipedia as "Mélanie Bonis".
Please change the title of your articla, please forget Melanie. If you really need to "gender" the discussion, you may say "the woman composer Mel Bonis".
But please, respect her decision, as we do.
One name is difficult to diffuse - 25 years work for us. So two names, please, no ...
Merci
Christine Géliot Mellymelbo (talk) 13:05, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How she wished to be known is really irrelevant. You'e arguing about a woman using an ambiguous pen name 150 years ago in a profession mostly made of of men, something kinda really irrelevant these days. It's pretty laughable to think that in 2023 someone would ' terribly dislike to be exposed to the entire world....as Melanie'. That said, there might be a point that most of the reliable sources use 'Mel' and not 'Melanie' but that would only change the title and basically nothing else about the article. 'The entire world' could still read the article and find out that it's a pen name, we are 100% never going to suppress such info. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 06:50, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You write "How she wished to be known is really irrelevant". Are you serious ??? Mellymelbo (talk) 09:06, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't irrelevant, though probably less applicable for someone dead as opposed to living. In articles on actresses, for example, Wikipedia goes to some trouble to describe them as 'actors' rather than 'actresses' if there is verifiable information they wish to be so known. But that leads to another problem here - if Bonis' wishes in the matter are thought to be relevant, you need to produce a verifiable source giving assurance that that was her wish. Can you? Sbishop (talk) 09:23, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I honestly think the main problem is in verifiable sources rather than irrelevance, and I have no idea how you would be able to prove it (unless there's an article, picture, etc) Pacamah (talk) 01:42, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here a verifiable source:
Mel Bonis | Articles (mel-bonis.com)
It is in french: hope you can translate Mellymelbo (talk) 14:36, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article "nom de plume, Mel Bonis" (Pen name Mel Bonis) [1]" Mellymelbo (talk) 14:45, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What is our current consensus for this page? I am personally in favor, but I want to get everyone's opinion. Pacamah (talk) 12:12, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
