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On the corner of Milligan (formerly Melbourne)

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I don't think that the hotel was ever on the corner of Melbourne St. According to the references I used for Milligan Street, Perth, Milligan St was always (as far back as 1838) that name at Hay St. Only the northern end (north of Wellington St) was originally Melbourne Rd.

The Heritage Assessment Documentation does not mention Melbourne St/Rd at all, but does say (in 13.1 Documentary Evidence, with my emphasis added):

Milligan Street in the early 1890s as the Rate Books record, was largely a residential street of mixed social strata - ...
Certainly around the time of construction of the Hotel, entries in the Milligan Street area expand ...

Mitch Ames (talk) 12:23, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your question. Heritage Perth suggests the street was named Melbourne Street, until it was renamed Milligan Street. The Melbourne Hotel website suggests it was first called Melbourne Road, and later renamed Milligan Street. Both references could be wrong, as you explained the subtle difference on your Milligan Street, Perth page. It is possible that both the hotel and Perth Heritage jumped to conclusions.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:26, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I found the below add

To BUILDEBS CONTRACTORS and
OTHERS
UNRESERVED AUCTION SALE
Of
QUANTITY of SCAFFOLDING,
POLES, PLANKS, and ROPES Large. Lot Old TIMBER
WINDOW SASHES and FANLIGHTS Quantity of RIDGE CAPPING,
Etc , Etc , Etc.
AMSBERG, WILLIAMS and Co will Sell as
above, at the Tear of the Melbourne Hotel,
corner of-Hay-street and Melbourne-road
SALE TOMORROW (FRIDAY) AFTER.
NOON,
AT 2.30 SHARP.

In the West Australian 13 May 1897 "Classified Advertising". The West Australian (Perth, WA : 1879 - 1954). Perth, WA: National Library of Australia. 13 May 1897. p. 8. Retrieved 19 May 2014. its the 2nd last add bottom left hand corner of the page. This gives an indication it was cnr Melbourne road when it was built... but its so far the only one that refers to Melbourne road others use Hay Street West and/or Milligan for the area including police reports apparently everyone left via Hay street enterence and then turned into Milligan/fled down milligan, no one as yet fled into Melbourne road....hmmm Gnan garra 12:46, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

this "GENERAL NEWS". The Inquirer and Commercial News (Perth, WA : 1855 - 1901). Perth, WA: National Library of Australia. 9 April 1897. p. 9. Retrieved 19 May 2014. calls the top of Melbourne road at Murray street... Gnan garra 12:51, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

according to this 1920's map Melbourne is the diagonal street whic crosses Wellinton and joins Milligan at Murray Gnan garra 12:56, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

definitive

This 1860 map by W. Phelps shows that the block on which the Melbourne Hotel was built extended from Hay Street through to Murray street along Milligan and that Melbourne Road intersected at the Milligan & Murray diagonally into the North eastern part of the intersection, see this current map for the current layout previously melbourne road started at Murray st passed along the western edge of the Entertainment Centre across the rail line to Russell Square, while Milligan continued directly north.... looking at the maps the Hotel was never "on" Melbourne Road but Melbourne terminate diagnolly opposite at the intersection of Milligan and Murray and the rememant sections of Melbourne road were renamed to Milligan but the conclusion that the street outside the hotel doors was ever called anything but Milligan isnt factual. Though the name could be derived from Melbourne rd Gnan garra 13:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work on this! The Drover's Wife (talk) 15:28, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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