Talk:Members of the 1st Dáil

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UK Parliament and 1st Dáil constituencies

All the constituencies in Ireland, used for the 1918 general election, have the dual character of being UK Parliament constituencies and Dáil constituencies. I have set up stub articles for all the UK Parliament constituencies in Ireland 1801-1922 and I am gradually filling up the contents. I have done most of the Dublin seats so far.

I presume we really need seperate articles for each kind of constituency. The information is likely to be similar, at least for those seats which were newly created in 1918, but not absolutely identical. Trying to combine both kinds of seat in one constituency article is going to cause confusion.

It is no doubt a little artificial to have say Dublin Clontarf (UK Parliament constituency), when its Sinn Féin MP never went to Westminster and Antrim East (Dáil Éireann constituency) when the Unionist TD would have wanted nothing to do with the Dáil. However I do not see a way around it. Each person elected had the choice of which body he or she joined, so every area was a potential constituency for both bodies.

I will attempt to convert my Dublin Parliament articles to Dáil ones. I see the Oireachtas web-site list of 1st Dáil members puts compass points after county names, instead of before (which was the official way the UK referred to county divisions). I will therefore follow this Irish source for the Dáil constituency articles. I am less keen on putting the name of borough divisions in brackets after the borough name, so I will not do that. I will follow the Oireachtas in which seats should have City or County after the name. There were fewer opportunities for confusion in 1918 than in earlier distributions of seats, so that should not be too controversial. --Gary J 23:36, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

By-elections

There were a number of by-elections for seats in Ireland during the 1918-22 UK Parliament. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Kingdom_by-elections_(1918%E2%80%931931)#31st_Parliament_.281919.E2.80.931922.29

By-election	Date	Incumbent		Winner		Cause
31st Parliament (1919–1922) [edit]
North Down	21 July 1922^{[31 1]}	Henry Hughes Wilson	UUP	John Morrow Simms	UUP	Death
North Londonderry	4 June 1922^{[31 1]}	Hugh Thom Barrie	UUP	Malcolm Macnaghten	UUP	Death
North Down	21 February 1922^{[31 1]}	Thomas Watters Brown	UUP	Henry Hughes Wilson	UUP	Appointed to the High Court of Northern Ireland
West Down	17 February 1922^{[31 1]}	Thomas Browne Wallace	UUP	Hugh Hayes	UUP	Appointed Chief Clerk to the High Court of Northern Ireland
South Londonderry	18 January 1922^{[31 1]}	Robert Chichester	UUP	Sir William Hacket Pain	UUP	Death
South Londonderry	29 August 1921^{[31 1]}	Denis Henry	UUP	Robert Chichester	UUP	Appointed Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland
Mid Down	2 July 1921^{[31 1]}	James Craig	UUP	Robert Sharman-Crawford	UUP	Elected Prime Minister of Northern Ireland
Mid Armagh	23 June 1921^{[31 1]}	James Rolston Lonsdale	UUP	Henry Bruce Armstrong	UUP	Death
Belfast Duncairn	23 June 1921^{[31 1]}	Edward Carson	UUP	Thomas Edward McConnell	UUP	Appointed Lord of Appeal in Ordinary
North Down	23 June 1921^{[31 1]}	Thomas Watters Brown	UUP	Thomas Watters Brown	UUP	Appointed Solicitor-General for Ireland
West Down	23 June 1921^{[31 1]}	Daniel Martin Wilson	UUP	Thomas Browne Wallace	UUP	Appointed Recorder of Belfast
Dublin University	28 July 1919^{[31 1]}	Arthur Warren Samuels	Irish Unionist	William Morgan Jellett	Irish Unionist	Appointed to the Irish High Court
East Antrim	27 May 1919^{[31 2]}	Robert Chaine Alexander McCalmont	Irish Unionist	George Boyle Hanna	Independent Unionist	Appointed Commander of the Irish Guards
North Londonderry	4 March 1919	Hugh Alfred Anderson	Irish Unionist	Hugh Thom Barrie	Irish Unionist	Resignation

^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j ^k ^l An uncontested by-election.
^ Due to the establishment of the Parliament of Northern Ireland, the number of constituencies for Northern Ireland was substantially reduced from the 1922 general election. East Antrim was absorbed into the larger two-member Antrim constituency, which at the 1922 election was won by two official Ulster Unionists.

In Republican theory, were those elected at by-elections prior to the dissolution of the First Dail in May 1921 considered members/potential members of the Dail, in the same way as those elected to the same constituencies at the 1918 election had been? Presumably, when Patrick McGilligan of Sinn Fein fought the North Londonderry by=election on 4th March 1919 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Londonderry_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections), he would have elected to sit in the Dail if he had been successful?

If so, would it make sense to add those who won by-elections prior to that dissolution as potential members of the Dail? Alekksandr (talk) 15:09, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

[unc-1] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j ^k ^l An uncontested by-election.

[2] Due to the establishment of the Parliament of Northern Ireland, the number of constituencies for Northern Ireland was substantially reduced from the 1922 general election. East Antrim was absorbed into the larger two-member Antrim constituency, which at the 1922 election was won by two official Ulster Unionists.

[31 1]

[31 2]

UK Parliament and 1st Dáil constituencies

By-elections

31st Parliament (1919–1922)