Talk:Miguel Llobet

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The article guesses that Llobet is not well-known because of his early death. While a death at 60 is unfortunate and sad, is it really early? Most extremely well-known composers died at a much younger age (mozart at 35, beethoven at 57, schubert at 31, Mahler at 51, Tchaikovsky at 53, Bizet at 37, Borodin at 54, and I can continue...). So whatever reasons there are for him not to have become well-known, I doubt it's his age at death. Nyh 10:51, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in complete agreement. As you can see, I made some significant additions to the page some time after your 5 August post. I believe the real reasons for Llobet's obscurity are complex. His small output of original compositions, coupled with an even smaller output of recordings have left his legacy sorely deficient. While a performer such as Segovia may have left no original compositions of importance, his vast recorded legacy ensures his place in history. Prior to the age of recording, a musician's only chance at immortality was a significant body of compositions. In addition, the timing Llobet's life and death put him in Segovia's shadow; bad luck for him, I suppose. Had Segovia championed Llobet's compositions, which happen to be very good, he may well have been more widely recognized. But, in all probability, Segovia avoided these compositions not, as has been suggested, because they are difficult to play (which they are) but because of some personal animosity between the two players stemming from an acrimonious severance on the termination of Segovia's short period of instruction under Llobet. Rguitphil

There were some edits that were made recently that I have undone. I did not do so lightly. These edits were, I believe, a misguided attempt to change Spanish names to what I believe are their Catalan versions. While I acknowledge the importance of honoring the Catalan language and culture, the names Francisco Tárrega and Domingo Prat are so well known to guitarists throughout the world that the changes to "Francesc Tárrega" and "Domenec Prat" seemed petty at best, and confusing at worst. It is particularly difficult with Tárrega, because is creates problems with the link to his wikipedia entry. Rguitphil (talk • contribs) 8:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The para below has been removed as apparent original research.

A photograph taken at the exhumation of Tárrega in 1915 shows Segovia at the foot of the coffin, but Llobet does not appear in the photo, and would likely have been present had he, in fact, been in Spain at the time. It may well have been another two years before Segovia began to work with Llobet and there seems to be nothing that would contradict this 1917 date.

Redheylin (talk) 03:14, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Other people's recordings

Hallo everyone! Hi Robert!

It really is shocking to include other people's recordings in this page. Why? Because this page is about Llobet. On the page of Mozart, you also don't see a list of recordings (for obvious reasons). (Oh and note this: Except for Llobet's own recording, I don't like any of the other recordings to date, and highly doubt that will change anytime soon. So I also don't want to see recording advertisements in the future, if you know what I mean...)

Consider what you are doing (talk) 10:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly see your point, although I think you are too easily shocked. You also seem to know who I am, but have done nothing to reveal your identity to me (although I have my suspicions), publicly or privately, and your "consider what you are doing" doesn't exactly take me anywhere in Wikipedia. At any rate, I think the lack of recordings listed in Mozart is obvious, whereas the listing of recordings of Llobet's original compositions illustrates the increasing awareness of his music. On the other hand, I see your point, that it also constitutes advertising for the recordings, and I believe we should err on the side of caution (if it even is an error) and leave it out. I'm not sure that I agree on your deletion of Llobet's pupils. These constitute some pretty important players, and as such point to his influence on the direction that the guitar was to take in the 20th century. I'm not putting them back in just yet. Convince me not to. Rguitphil (talk • contribs) 17:14, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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