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IAR Petition

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Twice an editor removed two individuals listed in the alumni section. The subjects were supported by multiple reliable sources sufficient to pass WP:GNG. The editor in the second removal claimed the reason for removal is WP:BIO1E. Therefore, I am proposing that the content be re-added under WP:IAR. Per WP:CANVASS#Appropriate notification I will ask for comment before re-adding the content.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:44, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The second change in question can be viewed here. Additionally Carl Lewis passes WP:POLITICIAN, and thus the individual should be re-added as well.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:53, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I will attempt to address the removals as separate events, as the reasoning was different for each.
  1. The first removal (which I made) was to remove unsourced entries that appeared at the time to be living persons. As a policy, BLP takes precedence over LINKROT which is a practice. The names were removed while performing other cleanup to conform with WP:WPSCH/AG#WNTI. In the case of the removed names, specifically:

    "School articles should specifically not include: Any mention (including lists) of current or former pupils, parents of current or former pupils, administrative staff, school secretaries, teachers (naming the head teacher is permitted), etc., unless supported by reliable sources, and even then conforming to our biography of living persons policy;

    My removal was reverted and I left the names pending later review for sources.
  2. The second removal can be sumarized by the above quote, WP:BIO1E, WP:NOTMEMORIAL, and WP:NLIST. Entries in the list must be of verifiable notability. I have not reviewed the new sources provided, and I do not have a recommendation regarding WP:N or WP:GNG for those entries and sources. If this remains an open question, I may review those sources in the future.
WP:IAR is simply that "[i]f a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it." In this case, the above policies and guidelines do not prevent improving WP. I recommend that editors establish notability from reliable sources before readding the entries. --Tgeairn (talk) 19:24, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Lewis is more borderline (given the coverage of the scandal he was involved with and his untimely death), but the two fallen soldiers are not. It's pretty standard for serviceman to have significant local obituary coverage after their deaths, but per WP:MEMORIAL, Wikipedia:BIO1E#People_notable_for_only_one_event, and WP:NOTNEWS, those don't pass muster for inclusion. I'll respect whatever consensus is arrived at in this case. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:26, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding Lewis, the provided sources exist only as a result of the criminal accusation. WP:POLITICIAN requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article" for local politicians, and unless there are additional sources available that bar is not met. --Tgeairn (talk) 19:34, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As far as Charles Lewis is concerned (not Carl), the solution to this argument is to write an article about him. I will take a look at doing that in the next day or two. I'm sure there is a ton of coverage about him; we have found that virtually all city council members in the nation's eighth largest city are notable. Once he has an article meeting Wikipedia standards, then he obviously belongs in this list, Q.E.D. --MelanieN (talk) 21:27, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The article about Charles Lewis is done. You can see it here: Charles L. Lewis (California politician). I will now wikilink his name in the alumni list and that listing should be OK. --MelanieN (talk) 00:28, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nicely done, Melanie. OhNoitsJamie Talk 03:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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