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Centipede

Several articles mention that a particular city or line or station uses the conventional "sorokonozhka" or "column and tri-span" design, but I see no general architectural article that addresses this topic. Can someone write one? Jim.henderson (talk) 22:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I have proposed that the article History of the Moscow Metro is merged in to the history section of this article. The separate article is very short, far shorter than the history section of this article. I don't see that the topic merits a separate article as it currently stands Grunners (talk) 16:57, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I disagree, the original History article was started by me but I have never got round to expanding it to the scale it deserves. I hope to do so someday, but surely the main article will need a condensed form, whilst the history in expanded. --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 13:23, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
The right course of action is to expand the current article rather then merge or deleting it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.128.79 (talk) 17:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Vorobyovy Gory station description

The article states that Vorobyovy Gory station "is unique in the world being built into a lower level of a bridge". This is a grand claim to fame and I believe it is incorrect: as one counterexample, the Donauinsel station on Vienna's U1 metro line is on the lower level of a bridge. I'll leave it to others to decide whether to correct the article or not. Iperboreano (talk) 18:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Metro Passenger Numbers

It is possible that the claim about Moscow being the second busiest underground network in the world needs looking at. The article that it links to uses sources from 2008 and 2009 when quoting figures for Tōkyo's and Moscow's passenger figures. Following terrorist attacks, a report on BBC Radio 4 said that Moscow was the busiest underground network in the world. •• Fly by Night (talk) 11:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

L1

The table says L1 is L1, but it should be sorted as if it were line 12. What if one day a real line 12 is built and we want to know how it should be sorted?? Should it be 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-L1-12 or 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-L1?? Georgia guy (talk) 18:18, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-L1 looks natural to me. The table doesn't imply that L1 is some "12th" line, it just puts it right after all the "letterless" lines in a standard alphabetical order (first numbers, than letters A, B... L etc).--Sascha. (talk) 10:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Simply because we're using the sortable function of Wiki table. If we write "L1" instead of "12", the ascending sorting will sort the "L1" before "01", "02", etc. p.s. Moscow Metro has officially changed the title of Line L1 to Light Metro: Butovskaya Line (ЛЕГКОЕ МЕТРО: БУТОВСКАЯ ЛИНИЯ)[1]. Just discuss it before moving the article. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 11:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
«Simply because we're using the sortable function of Wiki table.» - and that's fully ok, I suggest we just continue doing thst.
«If we write "L1" instead of "12"» - we are not writing L1 «instead» of 12, it is MM who has designated the line L1 (Л1) and not 12, we are just reporting things as they are.
«Just discuss it before moving the article.» - that one I didn't understand, we should discuss moving which article where?--Sascha. (talk) 12:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Title of Line L1 currently is Butovskaya Light Metro Line. I'm suggesting moving it to either simply Butovskaya Line or Light Metro: Butovskaya Line (Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#Colons approves use of colon), though I prefer the shorter one. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 06:00, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Bank cards

Let's imagine a next condition: an average of 44-48 trips per month (40 on work days plus few times on weekends). The Transport Card for 90 days cost 3020 rubles. So it's going to be 24 160 rubles per two years. 48 trips per month cost 894 rubles with the bank card. That's 21 456 rubles. Plus you have to pay at maximum 1200 rubles for the card (2-year service in average). So you saves at least 1000 rubles comparing to 90-day Transport Card and over 4000 rubles if you use 20 trips tickets. Not everyone is able to pay 10000 once for a yearly unlim card. And, unlike with bank card you won't get refund if you lose it.

Therefore: in specific popular conditions the statement is dubious. Elk Salmon (talk) 07:51, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

1080/60=18 (This card is valid for 45 days, so we are easily fit even in 40-days area if you buy in advance before the weekends, for example). Addon: If you override 70 trips, it doesn't stop the charge and you hit 21.14 RUR insted of same 18.

18*48=864 instead of 894+for a card. 91.76.209.103 (talk) 19:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

(48*24)/60*1080 = 20736. Just slightly cheaper. And you won't get refund if you make under 60 trips in 45 days. For 1080 р. You buys up to 60 passes in 45 days. So it's not notably more expensive and still cheaper in some conditions. Elk Salmon (talk) 16:12, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup

The article contains a lot of language mistakes, most notably the Russicisms. I have tried to remove or verify the unsourced claims, but still someone unfamiliar with the topic has to place {{citation needed}} templates where appropriate. Artem Karimov (talk | edits) 10:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Correct color??

The map near the top of the article says that Line 12 (which I believe is the Solntsevskaya Line) is pink.

Schematic map of the Moscow Metro, with color-coded lines
Moscow Metro map

But the line template says that it is light green.

Which is correct?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:39, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

No. Line 12 is supposed to be the Third Interchange Circuit. The official map uses orange stripe with dark-brown strokes.[2] -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 15:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
And Solntsevskaya will be Line 13?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:52, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
No again. The official map marks it as Line 8 which confuses me because it's supposed to be an independent line from Kalininskaya until 2017. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 15:54, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
And what then?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:55, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
The colors for future lines are copied from Russian Wikipedia by me. You can edit the {{MOSMETRO color‎}} for correction. And the map on Wikipedia was modified by IgorNsk. It is difficult to modify because it's raster image rather than vector. I would say we should always follow the official version rather than speculation. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 16:01, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
But the Russian Wikipedia still isn't official. If this info were from the Moscow Metro's official map, then it would be the official version. Georgia guy (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
True, we can compromise by using the map without proposed or constructing lines like file:Mosmetro2010.svg or File:Moscow metro map en sb.svg until someone has make an accurate one per official data. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 16:06, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

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The Overview needs revising

Part of the overview contains detailed specifics and should be removed. It is also written in a highly simplified language which is inconsistent with the rest of the article.Landroo (talk) 13:48, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

I improved the Overview's style. More tomorrow? JeffreyDavidSpeck CtrlAltDel 20:12, 15 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffreydavidspeck (talk • contribs)

"11" in tables

The "11" in the current lines table refers to the current line 11. But the "11"s in the expansion table refer to a new line. Can anyone fix this?? Georgia guy (talk) 17:33, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Current Line 11 will be a part of new line. Elk Salmon (talk) 21:29, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Two line 8's

There are 2 line 8's?? The map appears to say so. Georgia guy (talk) 20:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Rather, it's a single line that presently consists of two unconnected segments. A middle part is planned for construction, but... I don't think that's going to happen in the next 10 years. YLSS (talk) 21:39, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Number of lines

If there are two line 8's, the total number of lines should be 13. Any flaw here?? Georgia guy (talk) 14:02, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

See my response directly above. It's considered a single line. YLSS (talk) 14:22, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Transliteration of Russian place names

In writing about Moscow Metro for the Malayalam Wikipedia, we are finding it difficult to correctly transliterate the Russian place names. For example, do we pronounce Park Kultury as PAARK KALTTARI or PAARK KALCHCHARI (or perhaps something completely different)? Can somebody please help by transliterating the list given in https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/സംവാദം:മോസ്കോ_മെട്രോ. (I am not putting the list here as I don't want to clutter up this page.) Thanks Jose Mathew C (talk) 04:58, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Extended map

Moscow Metro map with Moscow Ring Railway

Greetings to everybody. A new map of Moscow Metro has recently been introduced due to the fact that the Moscow Ring Railway (MKZHD) is to be launched this September. I wonder if this image could be incorporated into the article. The map is bilingual. Unfortunately, the resolution leaves much to be desired, but I haven't managed to find a better picture so far. Thanks in advance. Eugene, Moscow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.16.20.245 (talk) 16:38, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

We already have one. Wikimedia always prefers free (CC-BY-SA 3.0 compatible) alternative unless the image itself justifies its own article (e.g. tube map) which still can only be used within the limitation of Wikipedia:Non-free content. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 14:59, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
@SUROK92: @AndyVolykhov: @Michgrig: @Yauza02: @Ymblanter: @Ingafube: One thing though, you can email ArtLebedev to ask if they want to license their Moscow Metro diagram under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0. CC license is non-exclusive, that means the diagram can retain its original (monetary) license and only be used freely without direct permission when the conditions of "Attribution-ShareAlike" are firmly complied. But that also means others can modify and redistribute the diagram openly, something that ArtLebedev designers might not want to agree with. For example, the English romanization that is currently applied on their diagram is not compatible with the one on Wikipedia, e,g, Zhulebino vs Julebino which we might need to correct if we are given the right. Another condition you would want to ask ArtLebedev for besides the CC license is to release the vector source file (not PDF) of the diagram, preferably SVG for future modification. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 04:47, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Change of system maps maintenance

@Elk Salmon, Epicgenius, Kopiersperre, SUROK92, AndyVolykhov, Michgrig, Yauza02, Ymblanter, Ingafube, Xenotron, and Theodor Ludenhof:

Just a notice for you guys that I will not longer update the system maps without future plans because maintaining these versions along with the ones with future plans (File:Moscow metro ring railway map ru sb future.svg and File:Moscow metro ring railway map en sb future.svg) is very tiring and could easily lead to errors, after all very few people around are willing to proofread the maps carefully. If you want to create a new one with perfectly round shape of TPK and Central Ring to supersede my maps, feel free to do so. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 13:35, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping them intact for a long time.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:45, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you from me too, for the maintenance that you have done. (Of course, I can understand—Moscow Metro is expanding very quickly right now, so that's why it's so tiring to update the maps every few months—but thank you anyway.) -- epicgenius (talk) 15:39, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 31 December 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: pages moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 18:23, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

– The year-old move was orthographically incorrect. Be it Линия Арбат — Покровка or Линия Таганка — Красная Пресня, they could turn into English Arbat–Pokrovka Line or Taganka–Krasnaya Presnya Line using dash. But those are not two different words indicating span. They are conjuncted into single word proper names. Therefore they use hyphen per Russain language rules, as they could not be broken. Elk Salmon (talk) 14:51, 31 December 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasuよ! 19:54, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

I explained reason above. There is no such thing as consistency. There are language rules. I listed only Moscow Metro lines that have errors, but Ukrainian language has same rules. Ukrainian names are also proper names with hyphen (defis). Elk Salmon (talk) 21:10, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
OK, I see, I think. This discussion handles each of the Moscow lines from the previous request, which is reasonable. The Kiev lines can be handled separately if necessary, but the issue at stake appears to be the same for those. Please let me know if I've got that wrong. Dekimasuよ! 21:02, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
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