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Intro is Confusing[edit]

"After the publication of Infinite Crisis and 52, the Multiverse is again being used in print by DC Comics and consists of fifty-two alternate universes which are referred to by their Arabic numeral designations of the alternate Earths within them ("New Earth", "Earth-1", "Earth-2", "Earth-3", etc.). The idea that the numeric designation is used to distinguish the newer fictional Multiverse from the previous one because the older one used spelled-out numeric designations, such as "Earth-One" and "Earth-Two", is disproved by the fact that Earth-3 used the Arabic numeric designation upon its creation in 1963, switched to a spelled-out numeric designation in 1964, and then back again with its destruction in 1985."

Is it just me or does that paragraph make no sense? If it does, it is very hard to understand. What is this arabic thing? It seems like 1,2,3,4 (regular chronological order) and what is the argument in the second part (about switching to a spelled out numeric designation) and why is it relevant for an intro? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Relakit (talkcontribs) 21:55, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

The intro explains this.--BruceGrubb (talk) 18:03, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Tintin?[edit]

I haven't seen the source material - is this accurate? Does "Earth-eleven" have the Belgin (not French) Tintin character in it? j-beda 17:04, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

  • I just got Absolute Crisis, and checked on the comic it referenced as a source (Teen Titans Spotlight #11). The character in question is a strong Tintin homage, but considering his world was devastated in a nuclear war, I think saying it IS Tintin is a stretch. 68.54.171.237 04:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Check Description of Earth-Five[edit]

The existing text is nonsense. It might be missing a "not", but I don't know what it is supposed to say. Somebody who does know the material needs to check the description. —Długosz

I just stumbled across this while looking something up. I'm not much interested in coninuity issues -- but I'm familiar with Batman and the story this is a reference to. As far as I know, the first and only appearence of this story is in Dectective Comics #500 -- "To Kill A Legend." I do not recall it appearing in Crisis and I believe the Earth-5 marking is an error. I'm going to repair the information regarding this story and slap a fact tag on the Earth-5 designation until someone can clarify.
Earth-5 is named and numbered in the Absolute Crisis hardcover. 68.54.171.237 04:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I might also add, while I'm here, that I'm skeptical of a number of the Earth-names after... about Earth-6 on our list. Obviously none of us have read every comic out there that pertains to this topic -- but I'm unsure where some of these Earth-#'s are coming from. Citations would be helpful. ~CS 00:58, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Non-Multiverse dimensions[edit]

Depending on your definition, "Multiverse" may or may nor include every alternate dimension ever to show up in a DC comic. In particular, if you define the Multiverse in terms of "timelines separated from each other by vibrational barriers", then the Anti-Matter Universe (both pre- and post-Crisis versions), the Fourth World, and the Pocket Universe (of post-Crisis LoSH fame) were never "Earths" of the Multiverse:

The pre-Crisis Anti-Matter Universe was explicitly a world that existed in parallel to the Infinite Earths (after Krona looked at the beginning of time, the matter universe split into the Multiverse, while the anti-matter universe remained untouched).

It's likely that each "Earth" in the Multiverse was actually a collection of related dimensions instead of a single physical reality; for example, the Fourth World may well have been a parallel dimension within "Earth-One". Other examples of this sort of thing would include Bgtzl (the homeworld of the pre-Zero Hour Phantom Girl), the Phantom Zone, the Fifth Dimension, and Gemworld.

Post-Crisis, the Multiverse had been compressed into a single timeline. As such, any worlds, dimensions, or timelines created after CoIE #10 cannot have been Multiversal Earths (save for the retroactive "these would have been Multiversal Earths had the Multiverse survived" concept of Elseworlds and Hypertimelines, and Earth-D). In particular, the Pocket Universe of the LoSH's Superboy and the Matrix Supergirl falls into this category, as does Zauriel's Heaven. Likewise, the Post-Crisis Earth and New Earth aren't really Multiversal Earths; rather, they're two iterations of a condensation of the entire Multiverse into a single timeline.

Dataweaver 16:29, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Earth-Eleven[edit]

Earth-Eleven is stated as being first named in Absolute Crisis On Infinite Earths HC, 2006. Where would this Earth first appeared? Any subsequant issues?--RedKnight 15:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I just got Absolute Crisis, and checked on the comic it referenced as a source (Teen Titans Spotlight #11). The character in question is a strong Tintin homage, but considering his world was devastated in a nuclear war, I think saying it IS Tintin is a stretch. 68.54.171.237 04:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The Flash(Barry Allen)[edit]

I may be wrong but doesn't the paperback collection of Crisis have an introduction that says that Barry Allen didn't die? --sono_ryuu_sochi 23:47, 28 November 2006

No, not really. Here's what the introduction, by series author, Marv Wolfman, says:
We always liked Barry, so when we were asked to kill him we planted a secret plot device in the story that could bring him back if someone wanted to. Don't look for it; you won't find it -- but if you corner me at a convention, and I'm in a good mood, I'll tell you what it is.
So, in other words, he has a loophole in mind, but it's not written directly or obviously into the text. ~CS 17:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Should we mention in the article what the loophole is? (I'd know I'd like to know.) --Joe Sewell 18:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
If anywhere, it should probably be addressed over on the Flash page. --sono_ryuu_sochi 23:05, 30 November 2006
It's probably best to wait awhile and see what happens with Barry Allen. The Flash comics have had some hints lately that Barry may be alive somewhere. There seems to be some indication that this will be addressed during 2007, so more info might be coming. CodeGuy 07:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Wolfman's plot device is NOT in any way a method to resurrect Allen. (And you can find this on Marv's website if I'm not mistaken, I did after reading his foreword to the 1998 Crisis HC.) It uses a simple concept that Flash could be plucked from time just before dying, and not knowing when he would be snatched back to face his ultimate death, his life would suddenly take on much more drama -- the need to do everything fast would be much more real to him, knowing that at any moment "his time" literally could be up. Anyway the point is he would still, inevitably and undeniably, die in COIE to thwart the Anti-Monitor. STFmaryville 05:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that was Marv Wolfman's plan that would probably work if we weren't more than 20 years after COIE (I realize with time travel, it can happen any time, but keep reading); however, given that DC is not beholden to using that particular option, it's really not anything to focus on until if/when they do use it. For all we know, they could always "reveal" that Superboy-Prime gave a left-hook to space/time during his sparring session with it behind-the-scenes of IC (finally shown in the Secret Files issue), and brought Barry back, but after he destroyed the Anti-Monitor's cannon - so that remains unchanged - and was supposed to have died (similar to how he was responsible for bringing back Jason Todd, but after he was buried in his coffin - and presumably filled with embalming fluid). And DiDio reportedly retracted his statement that the Flash shown on the Countdown teaser is Barry, so this topic is really going to have to be a wait-and-see for now. Thanks. Starmiter 12:40, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


flash in current Apr 06 legion issue 15 the legion destroyed the anti monitors weapon in issue 15 leaving a live barry allen is this where he comes from to countdown —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.139.142.182 (talk) 23:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC).

It is generally understood that Barry Allen's body died during the Crisis, but is essence was absorbed by the Speed Force, a concept that was introduced quite some time after the Crisis had finished.--RedKnight 02:00, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Earth-D: which Era?[edit]

Earth-D was not introduced until over a decade after Crisis on Infinite Earths #12 was published; as such, it arguably belongs to the Post-Crisis era (and possibly even post-Zero Hour). OTOH, it was introduced in "Crisis on Infinite Earths #4 1/2", a "missing chapter", so a case could be made for declaring it to belong to the Crisis on Infinite Earths Era, much like Earth-Six does - depending on whether or not you consider the "missing chapter" to actually be part of CoIE. Regardless, it does not belong to the Pre-Crisis Era. 69.225.139.115 04:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Earth-D was one of the "infinite Earths" that was destroyed during Crisis on Infinite Earths, albeit via a post-Crisis retcon. Thus it existed pre-Crisis, even though it wasn't introduced until afterward. --Joe Sewell 21:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Random Capitalization of Words[edit]

I added the copyedit box because there are too many places in here where capital letters appear as though a new sentence is being started, but isn't. I've made a start at fixing things up, but I just don't have the time right now. --Joe Sewell 21:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Earth-One article[edit]

Anyone want to help with an Earth-One article? There's already and Earth-Two article and Earth-One redirects here.

I think it should mostly be on significant events (Silver Age to pre-Crisis) that leads into specific multiverse issues, otherwise there wouldn't even be an article. For example interaction with other dimensions, cross overs with Marvel etc. --Exvicious // + @ 03:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Parody section seems forced[edit]

The section on parodies spends a lot of time on the alternate universe episode of Futurama. However, nothing in that episode was specific to DC's multiverse. Everything pointed out in the article is a staple of sci-fi interdimensional stories.

Does anyone else think that perhaps the section on the Futurama episode should be removed?

Removed seems a bit harsh, but perhaps it could be compressed. I'm honestly not that bothered by it, though. JEB215 02:30, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I think it should be removed: it seems like a parody of alternate universes in general. There's no evidence to support the idea that it parodies the DC multiverse. 203.17.70.161 03:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Krypton- 132? Krypton- 159?[edit]

I read the Lois Lane/Supermaid story while a teenager. Given that that particular alternate world was destroyed when its sun went nova, wouldn't it be more appropriate to identify that alternate universe by its surviving Krypton, as Krypton- 159, given Jor-El's prevention of the cataclysmic chain reaction that destroyed it in other alternate universes?

For a similar reason, given that most of the action of that imaginary story alternate universe occurred on its intact Krypton, perhaps the alternate universe of Futuro could be designated Krypton- 132?

User: Calibanu 10.56, 01 May 2007

Proposal of "List of DC Comics universes"[edit]

The current table of DC Comics universes is becoming extremely large and warrants its own page. I feel this would delineate the minutiae and raw data from the substantive information. With the creation of the Post-52 Multiverse, I think now is the right time to move the tables.--sigmafactor 00:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Post-52 Earth-One[edit]

The article states that New Earth has been renamed Earth-1.


JLA 0 earth one found by flash

The "52"[edit]

I changed the notes section for the following:

  1. All of the "based on" needs some sort of reliable secondary sourcing. If there is an interview with one or more of the writers, Sanglin, or DiDio spelling it out, fine. Other wise those notations are going to become "Appears based on..." and move into the realm of fan speculation.
  2. 5 of the shown, the ones that fit pre-Crisis realities, don't have anything solid saying they are the pre-Crisis realities.
  3. 3 of those, if the images are used as grounds, don't look like the pre-Crisis realities (No JLN on Earth-X, the CSA is sporting a look that could be said to be derived from the original or Morrison's, the JSA's colors and designs are slightly off)
  4. The Wildstorm might be a solid case, but the timing is off. Unless an argument is put forth (with a source like 1 above needs) that the 52 existed prior to IC.
  5. "22" runs into the same problem.

And this doesn't even broach the question of "Where's Qward?"... - J Greb 09:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Or even if the Anti-Matter Earth still exists with its version of the CSA - personally, I'm hoping it does, and they try and team-up with the 'new' Earth-3 characters in a kind of warped version of the JLA/JSA team-ups; good potential for a story there. Starmiter 11:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Response - Actually, wouldn't the "hidden message" that DiDio published in DC Nation that states "...the Multiverse STILL [emphasis added] exists..." count as a) official publishing, and b) that these have to be the pre-Crisis realities, since there had only been one Multiverse in DC history to STILL be around? Thanks. Starmiter 17:41, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

DC Nation is a hypepage. I'd much rather see an article from a news site or source, even if it is still hype.
There is also a problem with the "in story" aspect of this. From the story perspective the 51 did not exist prior to Alex's tinkering. Even then, they were carbon copies of "New" until Mister Mind went to work on them.
Personally, I'd love someone to find a quote from Johns or Morrison or Waid that the premise is something along these lines: Crisis poured all of the 5 Earths in to one, leaving some of the elements "hidden". Then Alex pulled that out and it forced a reinstating of the pre-Crisis model. When that collapsed, this time the energy replicating the single reality instead of just creating the one. Then Mind's later meddling exposes the remnants of the pre-Crisis realities. It would allow us to move forward with "This is what happened." instead of "This is what we think what happened." - J Greb 18:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
The sad part it, I don't think DC even thought about it as much as here...this reminds me of when fans explained how Khan knew Chekov in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan when Khan's only prior appearance on Star Trek was Season One, and Chekov joined Season Two (they surmised the character's bridge duty started in Season Two, and he was in a different department seen by Khan off-camera). I'm hoping there'll be some kind a "Secrets of 52" issue (similar to what came out for Infinite Crisis that explained - or tried to explain - how the COIE survivors got to the point they were at at the beginning of IC) that helps clarify what it is DC has here, and how it relates to the old multiverse. Thanks. Starmiter 18:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


Starmiter, I believe I've seen something to the effect that the collected editions of 52, while just reprinting the main story, should have some bonus material. It may well be that, in the final volume, we'll get a list of who is shown in those 4 pages and how they relate to New Earth and pre-Crisis.
207.61.255.171, As I mentioned below, the Wizard article can be used as a secondary source justifying the "Based on" notes. Without that, or any cite, those notes become a bit weasley and ORish. Going beyond that though, such as "...numbered 10 since 'X' is the Roman numeral for '10'" or "Something has happened in the past 20 years for the Earth-2 JSA to change their costumes.", is an editor here drawing a conclusion. That doesn't fly.
- J Greb 19:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)



As for the '5' is 'S' etc., there's this entry on Wizard magazine's website:

Although, they also mistakenly put New Earth as 'Earth-1' even though the story keeps it as 'New Earth.' It's not a blog, but an official online article, so this may qualify for mentioning in the entry (though they don't cover the 'X' is '10'). Interestingly, they seem to think that the 'Earth-3' here will replace the Anti-Matter Universe CSA rather than co-exist, but nothing in 52 showed that the Anti-Matter Universe was also being affected. No doubt this will be eventually addressed by DC in the future. Thanks. Starmiter 11:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

In Supergirl OYL, it was revealed that the Antimatter CSA's Ultraman managed to escape the cosmic shuffle that took place in Infinite Crisis by hiding in the Phantom Zone, implying (if not outright stating; I have not verified this with my own two eyes, as I don't read Supergirl) that the Antimatter Universe no longer hosts a CSA post-IC. --Dataweaver 15:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing that up; I did read part of that storyline, but from what I've read so far, I don't think it's clear that it's the Antimatter Universe's Ultraman given that he's being manipulated by Saturn Queen, the evil opponent for Saturn Girl from the pre-Crisis Earth-One Legion of Super-Villains (unless DC did introduce a post-Crisis main-DCU continuity version of her that I missed, which is possible). The impression I got was that he was a leftover 'shard' from the re-created Earth-Three as much as she was a 'shard' from Earth-One (I realize there might be actual story-points that specifically state otherwise, but I haven't seen any yet) that escaped being directly merged with New Earth. Given the direct impact that the Antimatter CSA had on the DCU (mainly, the 'Syndicate Rules' storyline in JLA), I'm not sure it would make sense continuity-wise for DC to say, "oh, these Earth-3 versions did all that" since, at this time, no one's supposed to even know this multiverse exists beyond Rip Hunter, Booster Gold, and Supernova (and maybe Skeets). It would've been very helpful if Infinite Crisis could've devoted even a page that specifically showed what was going on in the Antimatter Universe to make this more clear (of course, "clarity" was not exactly the sub-title for the Infinite Crisis series...). I'm hoping they still exist so there can be a kind of 'turf war' storyline with these new Earth-3 versions, but that's just my personal preference. Of course, by this time next year, this will probably be rendered moot as DC does yet-another (sing it with me now, you know the words!) "Universe-Shattering Event That Changes Everything!!" Until then, does anyone have anything definitive about this (not doubting you Dataweaver, just building off of the fact that you haven't verified it yet)? Thanks. Starmiter 15:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
The Wizard article comes with a fair grain of salt. That being said, wording akin to "Reviewers have pointed to the '5' in 'Earth-5' looks close to the 'S' in the pre-Crisis 'Earth-S'." with the cite. The cite can also be stretched to cover the "based on" notes as they currently stand.
The LSV Saturn Queen is a bit of a sticky point. She, along with Lightning Lord and Cosmic King were prominent in the "Absolute Power" arc of Superman/Batman. IIRC, that story implied that either we were looking at an aspect of Hyper-time, or the DCU having a fluid time line.
That being said, things start getting dicey for this article if we start making assumptions on how previously published stories slot into the new DC cosmology. Or discussing how the individual realities may be structured. For all we know, since the 51 started out as carbon copies of "New", each and every one may be a duality, with a "matter" universe we saw, and an "antimatter" Qward we didn't. We won't know until DC editorial breaks down and publishes a "DC Multiverse/Megaverse Bible" (remember, Rip used the 2nd term in story) or a writer gets a story published exploring these things. - J Greb 17:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Agreed - and given comments made by the 52 writers in recent Newsarama interviews (of the nature of "the point here is to open up possibilities, not to nail down new restrictions"), I doubt that we'll be seeing anything conclusive from DC for a while.
OTOH, there's the matter of the current Justice League/Justice Society crossover, where the teams are tracking down seven members of the Legion of Superheroes who are stranded in the modern DCU. The seven have been confirmed as belonging to a Legion that bears an uncanny resemblance to the pre-Zero Hour Legion; while this is speculation, it is entirely possible that the Saturn Queen seen in Supergirl came from the same place as the seven lost Legionairres. --Dataweaver 16:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Morrison on the new 52...[edit]

At this point one of the 52 writers, Grant Morrison, has given an on record tidbit about the new multiverse:

And the parallel Earths you see in issue #52 are not the familiar pre-Crisis versions. If you think you recognize and know any of these worlds from before, you'd be wrong. We all wanted to do something new with the multiple Earths so what you've already seen in 52 is simply the tip of the iceberg - each parallel world now has its own huge new backstory and characters and each could basically form the foundation for a complete line of new books.

"THE 52 EXIT INTERVIEWS: GRANT MORRISON" at Newsarama about 1/2 way down the page.

If this doesn't nail down that the new Earths are not the pre-Crisis ones returned, just based on them, I don't know what will.

This also means there is going to need to be a lot of re-jigging in a lot of character articles...

- J Greb 17:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


the parallel Earths are pre-Crisis versions mixed together by alex luthor into one new earth then separated into 52 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.227.200 (talk) 16:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Another Alternate Earth[edit]

Both stories are reprinted in volume 3 of the LEGION ARCHIVES. The first originally appeared in ADVENTURE #325, “Lex Luthor Meets The Legion of Super-Heroes.” There, Lex uses a "time-and-space super-console" to view various Legionnaires. "Chameleon Boy and his pet, Proty II, are visiting their parallel-world doubles, in another dimension." The panel shows two apparently identical Chams shaking hands, with identical looking Protys (which, given that Proty was a white blob, ain't that significant) on their shoulders. As far as I know, this was the only reference to said parallel world. http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/bobro/96986520063259.htm Enda80 14:04, 27 May 2007 (UTC)Enda80

Wonder Woman#89[edit]

Wonder Woman actually travelled to yet another parallel Earth before Flash#123 came out. See this link. http://www.jakanapes.com/Alternity/world.php?worldId=2571 Enda80 22:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)Enda80

52 "Earth-3" revert...[edit]

The edit based on the assumption "Earth-3 originally was Earth-Silver Age" ignores the internal story logic. From the story: All 52 Earth were identical prior to Mr. Mind's feast. If the JLA looked "Silver Age", the story logic follows that it is because Hunter has moved to a point in the time-line where the JLA was just starting. - J Greb 08:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Excessive Era-splitting[edit]

Do we really need to distinguish between "Post-Crisis", "Post-Zero Hour", and "Infinite Crisis"?

Also, Earth-D first appeared Post-Crisis. The fact that the story that it appears in claims to be a "lost chapter" of the Crisis is irrelevant, as the story is generally [i]not[/i] considered to be part of the official Crisis on Infinite Earths story (evidenced by the fact that it doesn't appear in any "Crisis on Infinite Earths" collections that were put together after its publication). Earth-D should be labeled as "Post-Crisis", with a note indicating the "lost chapter" nature of the story that it appeared in.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.229.226.130 (talkcontribs)

I would argue that it is necessary to distinguish between "Post-Crisis," "Post-Zero-Hour" and "Infinite Crisis" (or possibly "Post-Infinite-Crisis") because these represent events which may have caused such Earths to be created and/or destroyed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
I disagree. All of the Earths on the first table are ones that (at least in theory) existed prior to Crisis on Infinite Earths. The only distinction the Era makes is when they first appeared in print. The second table is for those Earths that were created after the first Crisis and before the 52 in Infinite Crisis #6. (Incidently, this is why the "Aztec Earth" that showed up in IC#6 more properly belongs on the second table rather than the first: Alex created it right then and there; it had never existed before that moment.) --Dataweaver 03:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Earth 17 (New Gods)[edit]

I had two questions about the theory that all of the post-Kirby "Fourth World" tales are from a hypothetical "Earth 17." One was whether or not this classification was ever used within the story of a comic (as opposed to the letter column) and the other was whether these tales took place on Earth at all.

I can't speak to official designations, but whether they took place on Earth at all isn't an issue. Earth-whatever is an Earth-centric naming system, but it's the one we use, flawed though it is.
Duggy 1138 01:41, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
This is a concept that Marvel is attempting to correct. They have been using designations such as Universe-# and Reality-#, though I doubt it will stick with readers.--RedKnight 22:24, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Why was this article blanked?[edit]

Strange. DonMEGĂ|60645 19:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Earth-3 Crime Syndicate vs Crime Society[edit]

Unless Ingles is doing two CSA-related one-shots I'm assuming that Countdown Presents The Search for Ray Palmer: Crime Syndicate is the "Crime Society" one-shot discussed in the footnotes.
However, since that's uncitable opinion, I've left both versions in there. So if someone finds a source for the name change I guess we're a little stuck with it.
Duggy 1138 01:39, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
<shrug> A good chunk of that should become clearer in October when the primary sources actually see print. - J Greb 06:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
The Crime Syndicate and Crimes Society are definitely different groups, the Crime Society does not remember meeting the the Justice League before the Search for Ray Palmer issue.--RedKnight 01:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Um... that's the Crime Society (Earth-3, Post-52). As of now, the old Crime Syndicate material (Earth-3, pre-Crisis) seems to be out of continuity. As an odd side note, given the Crime Society one shot, that Owlman seems to have used both the pre-Crisis and Morrison costumes. - J Greb 03:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
When dealing with DC there is no 'out of continuity', but simply continuity in relation to major DC events (but I understand your point)--RedKnight 22:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Countdown Arena website[edit]

The Countdown Arena website has expanded information on twelve of the 52 earths. --Basique 22:18, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

The Earth-? Logos.[edit]

I notice there is one on Countdown #30 and #29... (Earth 15 & Earth 8) to denote the Earth the Challengers of Beyond are visiting... can anyone get hold of a copy of one of these logos, I think the present multiverse section might look good with one on it. Duggy 1138 03:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The two Earths in pale blue with the number over the top? I like it but I don't think I've seen is without a number on it, nor have I seen it displayed big enough to use as a reasonable graphic insert.--RedKnight 22:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, I don't think we'll see it without a number on it, and it would be useless as an example without the number. You just have to say "This one referring to the comic being set on Earth-2".
However, yes, it isn't big enough, and I doubt we'll get on.
Duggy 1138 11:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Earth-12 (post-52)[edit]

I understand the concept is yet to be published, but I believe the idea has already appeared in an issue of Superman / Batman. The entry also mentions various DC animated productions. Has it been confirmed which (if at all) which animated features share a common earth to date?--RedKnight 22:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Batman Beyond crossed over with Justice League/Justice League Unlimited which came from Superman and Batman... and I think is linked to Static Shock. However... All of the Batman Byond-Earth references have only mentioned Batman Beyond.
Duggy 1138 11:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Placement: pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths, post-Crisis on Infinite Earths, Infinite Crisis, 52[edit]

I'm a little confused about how the particular Earths are grouped. Earth-0, for example, is listed under pre-Crisis on Infinte Earths but the listing explains that the original Bizarro world was not another Earth but simply another planet. Similarly, New Earth is listed under Infinite Crisis, but isn't New Earth the amalgamated Earth following Crisis on Infinite Earths?--RedKnight 14:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I have no information on Bizarro-Earth.
However, New Earth is the name given to the Earth at the end of Infinite Crisis, and after 52, it is the name still given to the main Earth of the 52verse.
As to the name of the Post-Crisis Earth, I've never heard it specifically refered to as such, but it doesn't mean it wasn't. I have often seen it called Earth-Sigma (the "sum-of" Earth).
Duggy 1138 17:18, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
All of the information on Bizarro-Earth (as a numbered part of the Multiverse) comes from a single panel in Infinite Crisis #6. Prior to that panel, Bizarro Earth [i]had[/i] merely been another planet in the same universe as Earth-One. (In fact, even in IC#6, this was the case, as Bizarro-Earth appeared in Earth-One's sky along with the rest; the difference is in the implication that every Earth seen in IC#6 had once had an entire universe associated with it.)
The post-Crisis Earth was given numerous unofficial designations, including Earth-Sigma and Clutter-Earth. In IC, Kal-L hypothesized that the post-Crisis Earth was essentially a continuation of Earth-One, with elements of Two, Four, S, and X added to it; but Alexander Luthor later rejected that explanation.
Dataweaver 06:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

The Naming of Earth-One and Earth-Two[edit]

One very important note: Earth-One and Earth-Two first appeared as distinct but linked realities in Flash #123 (1961), but were not given there specific designations until Justice League of America #21 (1963). Not sure how to best change the wording as Flash #123 (1961) still should be included.--RedKnight 15:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

On second thought, I think I've got it--RedKnight 23:33, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Trimming[edit]

Due to the excessive length of this article, I have copied the tables of Earths to their own page and begun trimming down the number of entries on this page. For a first cut, I eliminated every entry on the first table with an era other than pre-Crisis or Crisis on Infinite Earths. For the second cut, I'm figuring on removing all entries that were first given catalog numbers in Absolute Crisis. I'm not sure what to do with the post-Crisis tables. When all is said and done, the only entries on the Catalogued table that I am absolutely certain must stay are Earths One, Two, Three, Four, S, X, Prime, and the Antimatter Universe. That said, there may be some others worth keeping in the main article; I'd be inclined to keep any Earth that appeared in more than one pre-Crisis story. --Dataweaver 05:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Alphabetic vs. numerical designations[edit]

This article claims:

"After the publication of Infinite Crisis and 52, the Multiverse is again being used in print by DC Comics and consists of fifty-two alternate universes which are referred to by the numeric designations of the alternate Earths within them ("New Earth", "Earth-1", "Earth-2", "Earth-3", etc.). The numeric designation is used to distinguish the newer fictional Multiverse from the previous one, in which its alternate universes used alphabetic designations, such as "Earth-One", "Earth-Two", and "Earth-Three", instead."

Can somebody give a source for this claim, either an issue number or a published interview with DC editors? —Lowellian (reply) 16:06, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

History / Pre-Crisis[edit]

If it is of interest for addition to the article, there is a complete summary of the story in Wonder Woman #59 (1942) at http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=43867

Meeting of Superboy(Earth-One) and the teenaged Clark Kent(Earth-Two)[edit]

I believe this story was published in the Superman Family comic book during the late Seventies. Does anyone besides me remember this crossover meeting between the Superboy of Earth-One and his 1930's non-costumned counterpart on depression era Earth-Two ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dca5347 (talkcontribs) 07:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:DCMultiverse.jpg[edit]

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Earth-H? Earth-U?[edit]

Can anybody find reliable sources on these two? 90.136.139.222 (talk) 18:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Public Awareness of Multiverse in FC#7[edit]

In one of the last pages of Final Crisis #7 it seems that the general public is now aware of the multiverse as a radio jockey is talking about "Those newly discovered parallel worlds and how they could change our lives forever." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.132.197.109 (talk) 18:37, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Other Media : Lois & Clark[edit]

This section is incredibly messy and hard to follow. I think a lot of it is punctuation and grammar based, but as I'm not familiar with the material, I don't think I can make many valuable changes - 99.232.67.92 (talk) 18:07, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Roman vs Arabic Numerals[edit]

The article currently states that Roman numerals are used for naming the Earths in the new Multiverse such that you have "Earth-1" "Earth-2" and so on. However, these aren't Roman numerals, but Arabic numerals. Roman numerals are I, II, III, IV, V etc. whereas Arabic numerals are 1, 2 ,3 ,4, 5 etc. I would change it, but I don't know if there's already been a discussion or if there's a good reason for it saying that.3mln (talk) 14:50, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Earth-14 in Rebirth[edit]

Earth-14 (one of the 7 unknown Earths) got shown in Superman #15 post-Rebirth. Home of the "Justice League of Assassins," who look very reminiscent of 90's-era gun-toting characters. Harley Quinn appears to be both on the league and to have a two-face situation going on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hollowgolem (talkcontribs) 05:18, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

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DC and KFC[edit]

This may or may not be canon, but the joint DC/KFC comic book published in 2016, "The Colonel Corps: Crisis of Infinite Colonels," refers to "Earth-3 (the evil-twin one)... Earth-1 (the one we live on)... Earth-19 (the steampunk one)... Earth-22 (the Kingdom Come one)... Earth-51 (the post-apocalypse one)... Earth-29 (the Bizarro one)." WaxTadpole (talk) 22:42, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Fan and official naming conventions[edit]

Because DC has three universes (Pre-Crisis, 52, and New 52) which have three different realities with the same name fans have created their own naming convention:

  • Pre-Crisis realties below 52 are spelled out ie Earth-Three.
  • Realties of the 52 multiverse use 'Earth, hypen, number' ie Earth-3
  • Realties of the New 52 (Post Flash: Flashpoint) multiverse use 'Earth, space, number' ie Earth 3.

This allows fans to write about how the Crime Syndicate of Earth-Three were wiped out in Crisis, we didn't really see the Crime Syndicate of Earth-3, and the Crime Syndicate of Earth 3 were wiped out during the Forever Evil storyline without confusion...provided one understand this convention.

It should be noted that realties of the Dark Multiverse use the New 52 naming convention but use negative numbers ie Earth -44 and Earth -52 and this is an official naming method.--2606:A000:7D44:100:641B:7CD7:EFE7:C036 (talk) 22:16, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

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