Talk:New Jersey Route 73

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Comment[edit]

SPUI - I checked your info w/ the NJDOT. I stand corrected.  :) -KristoferM

Route 73 question[edit]

What does that mean Route 73 South ends at Route 322 intersection, but state maintainance goes to the Atlantic City Expressway?

Nextbarker 04:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

The road is signed as NJ 73 all the way to US 322, but the section between 322 and the ACE is maintained by the county, not NJDOT. I agree that it's a little unclear, but that's to be expected on little sub-stub articles like these. -- NORTH talk 07:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Does that mean the entire length is Route 73? even from Route 322 to the ACE?

24.228.70.72 03:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)nextbarker

Yes, the entire length is Route 73. The southern section is maintained by the county, but is still considered Route 73. -- NORTH talk 08:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Assessment[edit]

Stub-class. It needs the following:

  1. History
  2. Major intersections+ chart
  3. References
  4. Pictures (if possible)

Otherwise it works.Mitchazenia 15:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


Temp save[edit]

The Berlin Circle was a traffic circle in Berlin Township, New Jersey, United States. It was located at the intersection of Route 73, Berlin-Cross Keys Road, Walker Ave and received traffic from nearby U.S. Route 30, and County Route 561 (New Jersey). The New Jersey Department of Transportation (NJDOT) began replacement of the circle in August 2006. [1] The project cost $73 million dollars. The circle was replaced with an at-grade intersection with traffic signals.[2] The project was completed by 2007.

History[edit]

The circle, was created in 1940 when Route 73 was created, and marked the crossroads of two state highways, three county roads, four local roads and a railway. The circle was constructed at a time when Berlin was largely rural and the land in the area used primarily for agricultural purposes. By 2002 and with increased suburbanization of the area, the circle was notorious for its congestion and traffic accidents, and for flooding caused by the Great Egg Harbor River.[3]

New Jersey had been quite fond of traffic circles starting in 1927, when the Airport Circle in Pennsauken Township opened to traffic on July 1, 1927, as the first such traffic rotary in the United States.[4] While the state had as many as 67 traffic circles at its peak, projects initiated by the NJDOT since the mid-1970s had reduced the count to 37 by 1999.[5]

Proposed changes[edit]

In addition to the traffic issues, the NJDOT undertook an analysis of the drainage issues associated with the road infrastructure, in conjunction with the local office of Parsons Brinckerhoff. The preliminary planning studies for the roadway redesign had been completed in 1998, and in 2002 the NJDOT expected to have the design completed in 2004 and construction finished by 2007.[3]

Plans to eliminate the Berlin Circle and Collingswood Circle, two of what were the state's most congested interchanges, were announced in 1999, with estimates that the cost would be $16 million for the project. In announcing that funds for the two $8 million projects had been obtained from the federal government through the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act, Congressman Rob Andrews noted that these were "two of South Jersey's worst traffic nightmares".[5][6]

Construction began on August 2005, and Route 73 was shifted to avoid the circle as of September 14, 2006.[7]

By 2006, the project had been in motion for over a year and the price tag had risen to $73 million. Local merchants at the circle and along the portions of Route 73 being shifted complained that the traffic delays and confusion caused by the project had resulted in business being down as much as 60% at area businesses.[8]

The completed project featured a wider roadway and drainage improvements on Route 73, Route 30, Berlin Cross Keys Road and Walker Avenue, with new ramps and access roads created to allow the retention of all of the traffic flows offered as part of the traffic circle. Crossings on Route 73 were combined into four intersections controlled by traffic signals. New sidewalks and curbs were also included, as were bike lanes. New basins, box culverts, pipes and inlets were added to improve holding capacity in storms and mitigate flooding at the intersection.[2]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:New Jersey Route 73/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
  1. Prose - be careful - I found a lot of careless mistakes:
    1. Lead - should the units be linked the first time around?
      1. This was automatically generated by {{convert}}, which does not link the units. Dough4872 (talk) 16:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
        1. I just checked MOS and it says don't link the units... my bad. --Rschen7754 (T C) 17:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
    2. RD - "This portion of the route is officially considered a part of Route 73 but is signed as "to" Route 73 in the northbound direction and "to" U.S. Route 322 in the southbound direction." - There any other way to phrase this? The speed limits are not relevant. "It intersectisCounty Route 680". "commercial areas with some agiriculture". "comes to an interchange" ?
      1. Broke into two sentences and reworded. Removed speed limits. Fixed. Changed to farms. Reworded. Dough4872 (talk) 16:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
        1. I was thinking of rewording it so there is no "to". --Rschen7754 (T C) 17:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
          1. Reworded. Dough4872 (talk) 17:19, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
            1. This isn't really clear either. --Rschen7754 (T C) 20:00, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
              1. Took out as it is not important. Dough4872 (talk) 17:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
    3. Paragraphs are really long. I'm told that this may also mean that the RD is not very well organized.
      1. Broke up paragraphs. Dough4872 (talk) 16:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
    4. It seems like the road goes through only "agriculture", "residences", "wooded areas", and "businesses" (in other words, it seems like you divided New Jersey into those four classifications and are assigning the routing of 73 into those areas) - that makes it seem really boring. I would suggest getting details from other sources - besides maps.
      1. I tried mentioning some of the attractions along the road, but there are not too many. Any suggestions of possible good sources would be appreciated. Dough4872 (talk) 16:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
        1. This is really your responsibility to take care of before GAN. I can't pass the article as is - the RD is too boring, making it incomprehensible. I can't even tell if NJ 73 ever becomes a freeway or not because such information would get lost in the RD.
    5. Major intersections - is there a better way than putting "Interchange" on several rows?
      1. Since NJ 73 is a surface road and used a Major intersections table, there is no better way of indicating this. Dough4872 (talk) 16:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
  2. Standardize the dates in the citations.
      1. Done. Dough4872 (talk) 16:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
  3. Broad.
  4. Neutral.
  5. Stable.
  6. WP:ALT.
    1. Added ALT text. Dough4872 (talk) 16:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
      1. Apparently you missed something - see the altviewer. --Rschen7754 (T C) 17:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
        1. Fixed. Dough4872 (talk) 17:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

On hold - article needs some improvements. --Rschen7754 (T C) 20:23, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, I have replied to the above comments. Dough4872 (talk) 16:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I'll finish looking at this later, gotta run. --Rschen7754 (T C) 17:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Basically to me it seems like you're trying to make a bunch of "cookie-cutter" articles that follow the same formula. You can't do that with highway articles. We're looking at another battle with highway notability coming up (see NJ 64) and giving the editors a bunch of technical gibberish as an example is not going to help our case at all. To prove significance and notability you've got to answer the question "Why should the reader care?" "Because it goes through woods, residences, businesses, and agriculture, and because it goes between townships and counties and intersects with county roads" is not a satisfactory answer. You could say that about any highway in New England.
We're getting too many GAs that are filled with this sort of thing, and even worse (the speed limits, for example). I think we need to put a stop to this. I'm going to keep holding this article for the rest of the 7 days but I'm not optimistic that this article will be ready by that time. --Rschen7754 (T C) 21:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I have gone back and added additional non-map sources to the RD. In addition, I added a couple sentences explaining the importance of the road. Route 73 is in fact a very important road in South Jersey and a small segment of it serves as a link between two of the largest cities in the United States. Dough4872 (talk) 21:32, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I would consider possibly removing "residences" and "businesses" etc. unless you can be more descriptive. At least don't use the same words over and over again. --Rschen7754 (T C) 01:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I tried to alternate and vary the wording and removed some instances that were redundant. Dough4872 (talk) 01:47, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
It still needs more work. I would start working on cutting down repeated words as well - such as "interchanges." --Rschen7754 (T C) 02:30, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Tried reducing use of "interchange" and varied some other words. Dough4872 (talk) 02:49, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Also, how are you sourcing what is a business and a residential area? --Rschen7754 (T C) 02:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Satellite imagery and Street View on Google Maps. Dough4872 (talk) 02:53, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

(od) Another possibility is removing the street names. For example, instead of County Route 343 (My Street), just try County Route 343. Or even CR 343. The streets seem to be in the major ints table, so this would not result in a loss of information.

There's a lot of work that needs to be done here; one or two edits won't cut it. I would also suggest doing the same to your other GANs; even if they pass, they will be horribly dry articles that people won't want to read. --Rschen7754 (T C) 03:53, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

It's been brought to my attention that on your latest GAN New Jersey Route 47 you have 6 "wooded areas", 19 "residences", 3 "suburban", and 15 "businesses". This is not acceptable. --Rschen7754 (T C) 04:40, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the street names from the RD in the article and will make fixes to my other GANs. Dough4872 (talk) 15:01, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I would even consider taking out some of the "residences" etc. information entirely. You've got a huge route description for ~30 miles of road. (This is about the length of the route description for California State Route 78). People don't really care about much of that information. Please use abbreviations for County Routes. "Here," is overused. "Past ..." is overused. "passes" is overused. Why has NJ 73 been rated one of the worst roads in the state? You need to provide more info on that. --Rschen7754 (T C) 18:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I have pruned the RD of the excessive mention of residences and businesses, only using them a few times to give a general atmosphere of the upcoming portion of road. I abbreviated the CRs and have changed some overused words. I also made it more clear how NJ 73 was one of the worst roads in the state. Dough4872 (talk) 19:05, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
"Here" is still overused. "Past _" is still overused. "crosses" is still overused - don't use the same words within a few sentences of each other if at all possible. That being said this is starting to become something I may be able to pass. --Rschen7754 (T C) 19:14, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Replaced most instances of the three words. Dough4872 (talk) 21:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I'll go ahead and pass the article, but this still will need work before ACR or FAC. --Rschen7754 (T C) 23:33, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

History notes[edit]

List of notes for Route S41:

Route S-41 given its final contract let to make the connection to Route 43 (The White Horse Pike) from the Tacony-Palmyra.[9]

References[edit]

  1. ^ "Berlin Circle being Eliminated", WPVI-TV, September 15, 2006. Accessed August 7, 2008.
  2. ^ a b "NJDOT announces Route 73 traffic shift as part of Berlin Circle replacement", New Jersey Department of Transportation press release dated September 7, 2006. Accessed August 7, 2008.
  3. ^ a b "Traffic congestion mitigation project includes drainage improvements.", Public Works, September 1, 2002. Accessed August 7, 2008.
  4. ^ Kane, Joseph Nathan. Famous First Facts, H.W. Wilson Company, 2006 (ISBN 0-8242-1065-4), p. 222.
  5. ^ a b Demasters, Karen. "IN BRIEF; Camden County Traffic Circles Will Lose Curves in Rebuilding", The New York Times, August 22, 1999. Accessed August 7, 2008.
  6. ^ Braun, Martin Z. "TWO MORE TROUBLED TRAFFIC CIRCLES WILL BE ELIMINATED \ CONVENTIONAL INTERSECTIONS WILL BE DESIGNED, AND DRAINAGE PROBLEMS ADDRESSED, AT THE COLLINGSWOOD AND BERLIN CIRCLES", The Philadelphia Inquirer, August 13, 1999.
  7. ^ "Major Progress on Berlin, N.J., Circle Elimination Project.", Constructioneer, November 6, 2006. Accessed August 7, 2008.
  8. ^ "Getting Rid Of Traffic Circles Costing Businesses Money", WCAU, August 1, 2006. Accessed August 7, 2008.
  9. ^ "Removing Many Unsightly Signs". The New York Times. September 14, 1930. p. 128. 

Destinations[edit]

I notice that this article, unlike many articles about roads, does not tell the reader where the exits lead to (For example, U.S. 130 South-Pennsauken, Camden). I think that adding the destinations would make this article better, and am going to do some research to find out where the exits lead to. (Sorry if this information has already been added, it's been a while since I've read this.)

SoapIsBoss (talk) 15:07, 27 July 2012 (UTC)