Talk:New Jerusalem

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Michell diagram[edit]

New Jerusalem (Michell) Sacred Geometry.svg

Here's the "New Jerusalem" geometric diagram of author John Michell, which has achieved some moderate degree of fame among "sacred geometry" enthusiasts. Probably won't make it into the article, but thought I'd throw it here for comment, if anyone is interested... AnonMoos (talk) 00:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

It seems to smack of astrological derivation, which could be an encrypted reference set of the John work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:07, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Not sure that astrology is too relevant; the diagram was partly based on astronomy, partly on the isopsephy of ancient Greek words, partly on supposed ancient units of measurement, and partly on abstract geometry... AnonMoos (talk) 08:07, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Well then have a look at the diagram(s) at Horoscope, plus if you move back to Kepler, you will find that modern Astronomy derives in large measure from needs and uses of Astrology. (talk) 22:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


The twelve Chakra systems, which include the standard seven plus five additional centers (one above the head, plus two at hands and two at feet) could be a clue to the "gates" spoken of at this celestial city, thus freeing New Jerusalem from geography, but not personal location. (talk) 22:16, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a blog for your personal exegesis. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:23, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Nor is it a post board for conspicuously ignorant evaluations. (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:47, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Wow, those Scientology Word Clearing courses you've asked me to take sure must be something if they allow you to not have the guidelines apply to you by not reading them the same way other speakers of the English language do. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:01, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, try them some time when you have matured. ( (talk) 18:01, 31 October 2010 (UTC))
Well, obviously, the Church of Scientology's treatment of Lisa McPherson was mature. As was Operation Snow White. There's a website, which really shows how amazing the Church of Scientology really is. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:40, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps their botched treatments of her were only slightly less erroneous than some of your toxic & gnostic opinions; now there's a website which speaks about POV and editorial, personally negative opinions, within Wikipedia? (talk) 01:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

order of paragraphs[edit]

It seems the order of the paragraphs can use some re-structuring, namely the Ezekiel detail of the city placed first.. any ideas?--חודר לעומר (talk) 21:25, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Intro names[edit]

Can we limit the "also know as" intro names to three at most?--חודר לעומר (talk) 21:50, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


Theology and religion are based on what is known about the past and what already has occurred. Prophecy is about what isn't known but only partly seen concerning the future. In no place in the Hebrew Testament is Jesus mentioned by name. Only after his life was fulfilled did the meaning of the words of Isaiah (and other prophets) become emphatically clear. In Isaiah, the Servant is given various symbolic names--Abraham, Judah, Israel, etc. And in Isaiah 1:1 and 2:1 it says, "This is a prophecy concerning Judah and Jerusalem that is, male and female, and Isaiah refers repeatedly to Jerusalem, Zion, daughter Zion, the city, the bride, the wife, the mother--all female images. This is repeated in Revelations. What is the New Jerusalem? Jerusalem is an as yet to be fulfilled prophecy--of a coming of a time of peace in the world between all peoples. The Marriage is how we learn to live together despite our differences--through love. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:18, 30 July 2014 (UTC) I am Margaret9mary.

Dispute that the New Jerusalem is the same city as described by Ezekiel and Zechariah[edit]

The the article states that "the City where YHWH is there" is identical with the New Jerusalem of Revelation, but there are significant differences between the two. The only real similarity is the twelve gates.

Some Differences:

  1. The New J. is over 800 times larger than "where YHWH is" (will abbreviate as City of Y).
  2. The river from the New J. flows from its center, whereas the river in Ezekiel flows not from the City of Y but from the temple in the sacred district.
  3. The destination of the river from the New J. is unstated, but that of the district river is the Dead Sea.
  4. The New J. has one tree spanning both sides of the river, while the district river has a vast number of trees.
  5. The New J. comes to "a new earth" that has "no sea", while the City of Y and sacred district are bounded by the Mediterranean and Dead seas.
  6. There is no night in the New J., but the temple of the sacred district near the City of Y speaks of six working days and the New Moon.

In addition, the Jerusalem of Zechariah is yet another city, likely during the Millennium as is the City of Y. This river, flowing from the city and not the temple, splits in half and flows to both the Mediterranean Sea and the Dead Sea.

Gridz (talk) 23:46, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Gridz

Ezekiel Prophecy refers to Christ's Millennial Kingdom - not the New Jerusalem.[edit]

Hi. The description of the New Jerusalem is described in Revelation 21, not in the Book of Ezekiel.

The Prophecy in Ezekiel refers to the Temple and City that will be built during Christ's Millennial Kingdom, not the New Jerusalem. There is no Temple in the New Jerusalem, and the city described in Ezekiel's prophecy, is vastly different than the city described in John's prophecy in the Book of Revelation.

(Please compare Ezekiel 40-48 to Revelation 21).

Thank You.  :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RocciGirl (talkcontribs) 13:57, 1 December 2016 (UTC)