Talk:Nina Lobkovskaya

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Notability

I don't know why the photos were removed, but the mere fact that there were photos of a Soviet soldier from World War II should tell anyone that this person is definitely Notable. Having said that, her notability is not immediately apparent to the untrained/casual reader and the page needs to be expanded. Here is one external link mentioning that she was one of the most successful female snipers of all time (reported kill record of 300+) so surely she is notable for not only being a female sniper, but one of the most successful snipers of any gender. [1]

I have found another link [2], with a list of snipers and it seems the above link has the kill record (309) of Lyudmila Pavlichenko (also female) associated with Lobkovskaya which they credit with "only" 89, but that still doesn't diminish from her notability in my opinion (being one of only 11 female snipers to even be mentioned on this list of WWII snipers).

Photos aren't a matter of notability, they're a matter of copyright; enwiki doesn't allow fair-use photos of living people, and sadly we don't know if Lobkovskaya is alive or not (althought it's highly unlikely that she is). Ergo, since this is technically a BLP and we can't find photos of her under a free licence, the article can't have a photo right now. HOWEVER, if somebody can find an obituary for her, that would be different, and we could include a fair-use pic in the article.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 16:31, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tally

There are NO sources that question Lobkovskaya's tally. Furthermore, the blog post on Proza.ru does not mention Lobkovskaya at all. Just because Pavlichenko's feats are questionable doesn't mean that all other women snipers are frauds. Because this is a biography of a living person it is defamatory to use weasal words to describe her feats. Even skeptical historians, like Simonov and Chudinova who debunked the notion that Yekaterina Budanova was an ace, haven't accused Lobkovskaya, Mametova, Moldagulova, and the other women soldiers attacked by the vandal of being frauds or subject to exaggeration. There is no evidence that Lobkovskaya wrote her own award sheet, ergo the claims for her tally are not claimed by her, but by the officers who nominated her for awards, ergo the number of kills listed is what she is credited with, not what she claimed. Do not insert weasal words with getting consensus on the talkpage, especially since this is a biography of a living person. 68.134.5.142 (talk) 16:53, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]