Talk:Norwegian Parliamentary Ombud

On 17 September 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Norwegian Parliamentary Ombudsman to Norwegian Parliamentary Ombud. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 17 September 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus is not a vote. Per WP:NCGAL, Use official names in article titles. We must consider almost always known by...[a] different title in light of WP:NAMECHANGES. The Council of Europe announcement linked below uses only the new name. Since the agency's native title is in Norweigan, WP:NCGAL favors English-language translations; the translation of the name used by the Norweigan language sources post rename linked below is Norweigan Parliamentary Ombud. If I am unaware of significant additional information not discussed in this RM, please feel free to inform me of such information, and I will reconsider this close. (non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 06:01, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Norwegian Parliamentary Ombudsman → Norwegian Parliamentary Ombud – Name was changed by law Max-Sei (talk) 22:39, 16 September 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 01:43, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:00, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Max-Sei, Blaze The Wolf, and DrVogel: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The article uses the word ombudsman. Are there any sources supporting the word "ombud"? Dr. Vogel (talk) 22:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The official website: https://www.sivilombudet.no/en/ Max-Sei (talk) 22:49, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Any others besides that? Otherwise WP:COMMONNAME applies. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry | Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 00:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: there are 4 ghits for "norwegian parliamentary ombud" -wikipedia (2 from the ombudsman's own website and 2 from LinkedIn) vs 1,970 for "norwegian parliamentary ombudsman" -wikipedia. I'm not sure "ombud" is even an English word. Havelock Jones (talk) 13:11, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No evidence this is the common name. "Ombudsman" is still common usage. See WP:OFFICIAL. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:36, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support: This is a nobrainer. @Havelock Jones: The name was recently changed, so it makes sense that there are more references to the old name out there. Nevertheless, the article Ombudsman already points out "Ombud" as an alternative, and the english website of Sivilombudet establishes that the official, english name is indeed Parliamentary Ombud. The word is an indigenous Swedish, Norwegian, and Danish term, etymologically rooted in Old Norse, so the change from ombudsman to ombud is entirely translatable. There is in this case no justification for not following along with the official change, as far as I can tell this relatively minor change does not conflict with any of WP:OFFICIAL's concerns, and in case you need sources on that the new name is indeed the common name in use now, here's some recent articles and opinion pieces: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. Ved havet (talk) 22:49, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Two of those links don't work for me. The remainder are sources in Norweigan. Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:UE we follow the common usage in English language RSs. The other points are irrelevant to our policy. Whatever the etymology may be Ombudsman is a familiar English word and Ombud is not. Havelock Jones (talk) 10:56, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter if Ombud is a familiar English word or not, "Ombudsman" is directly adapted from Nordic languages, and after officially removing "man" the correct name in English is now Ombud. How many times do you think the Norwegian Parliamentary Ombud has been relevant in english articles or other sources this year? Fact of the matter is that there is no "common name", because it's not a title commonly mentioned. Here is one, if you must, but this really is a completely silly utilisation of policies to block the minor update of a relatively minor Norwegian governmental title, worthy of Wikipedia:Ignore all rules. Ved havet (talk) 12:59, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.