Talk:Olympus

On 14 January 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Olympus (disambiguation). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Olympus the satellite?

There is a satellite by this designation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympus-1 213.143.60.89 (talk) 10:18, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. There was consensus against moving the disambiguation page to make way for a redirect to Mount Olympus on the basis that while the mountain receives more views than the Martian shield volcano and the corporation, it does not receive significantly more than these topics combined (i.e., it fails WP:PT1). There is also general agreement that Mount Olympus is not typically referred to as simply "Olympus", except in Greek mythology. If such an article (on the mythology entity) existed then it has been suggested this could reside at Olympus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Polyamorph (talk) 18:28, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olympus → Olympus (disambiguation) – The mountain in Greece (Mount Olympus) is the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC both in terms of pageviews and long-term significance, so Olympus should redirect there. The only page with more pageviews is Hercules (1997 film) ... which is centered on the mountain in Greece (and obviously, we wouldn't point Olympus there). In third place is Olympus Mons ... which is named after the mountain in Greece. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:16, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Oppose Reluctant to endorse, since you are proposing merely a redirect, whereas there are many other entries on the page. The mountain is likelier to be referred to by its full name "Mount Olympus" rather than plain "Olympus". Whereas many of the other entries (e.g Olympus company) are more commonly referred to as plain "Olympus". A way of comparison is Fuji, the bulk of the pageviews similarly disproportionately go to Mount Fuji. But everyone really still calls it "Mount Fuji". Walrasiad (talk) 08:44, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unlike Mount Fuji, Mount Olympus is widely referred to as simply "Olympus", so this qualifies as the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT for the short name. InfiniteNexus (talk) 08:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose it is the mythological Mount Olympus and not the physical mountain in Greece that could contend for primarity. The proposed target article is not about the mythological mountain, but the physical mountain and its physical existence, not the mythical existence. We are missing an article on that topic, the home of the Gods -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 10:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Currently both the physical Olympus and the mythological Olympus are covered by the same article. – Michael Aurel (talk) 20:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It certainly does not function as a mythology article. That section only functions as a summary for a missing mythology article, which could be based off the small section in the physical mountain article. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 04:55, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. – Michael Aurel (talk) 10:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See my reply below to Necrothesp. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:30, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Olympus indicates there's still a fair bit of usage related to the company, so if we were to change to a primary redirect, we should definitely include both the disambiguation list and the company in the hatnote in order to continue helping navigate those readers. I am amenable to the long-term significance argument, as this is one of the basic topics of ancient Greece that seems very widely recognized. A primary redirect would not screw up statistics measurement so we could continue to develop an understanding of how the readers react to the change and navigate. The fact that the article on the physical mountain and its historical meaning are merged doesn't strike me as necessarily bad - if we can impart both kinds of knowledge on the readers it should be fine. BTW this reminds me of the discussion we recently had at Talk:Rachel, "Olympus" seems more obviously generally associated with this topic than some of the more minor Biblical figures with their respective terms. --Joy (talk) 10:59, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Mount Olympus should be the PRIMARYREDIRECT of Olympus per the Wikinav data cited by Joy. As for page views, other than odd blips for Olympus Mons, Mount Olympus has the most compared to Olympus Mons and Olympus Corporation. Ngram also shows Mount Olympus coming out on top. voorts (talk/contributions) 06:34, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Voorts that graph actually indicates that the combined interest in the Martian landform and the company is comparable to the proposed primary topic, so on the face of it it nullifies the idea that there's a primary topic (cf. WP:PTOPIC). The trick, though, is to figure out how this data factors into the decision on what's the primary topic for just the simple "Olympus" query. --Joy (talk) 12:13, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Mount Olympus is very often referred to as simple Olympus when its mythological connections are being discussed. However, as stated above, this article is about the real, physical mountain, not the mythology, which is only mentioned in passing. I would certainly support a primary article at Olympus about the home of the Greek gods, which is the clear primary topic, but the Mount Olympus article is not it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:41, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, where is the article about the mythological Mount Olympus? If it does not exist, and your goal is to get readers to information about the mythological Olympus, then why not point them to the article that currently has the most relevant information on the subject? I also wonder, if an article about the mythological Olympus were created, should it really be treated as a separate topic and be named Mount Olympus (mythology), and the physical mountain disambiguated as well? The "mythological" Olympus and the physical mountain are really the same thing, just that it served as the setting for these fictional characters, so it seems an article about the mythological Olympus would be titled Mount Olympus in mythology or something, in which case it would make no sense to redirect Olympus there rather than to the parent article. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:30, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I think that the term "Olympus" on its own, usually refers to the mythological mountain, so if there were a primary topic, then the mythological mountain would be it. Paul August ☎ 15:41, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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