Talk:Ottoman Caliphate

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Ottoman Caliphate article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: Index, 1: 365 days

Former countries: Ottoman Empire

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Former countries, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of defunct states and territories (and their subdivisions). If you would like to participate, please join the project.Former countriesWikipedia:WikiProject Former countriesTemplate:WikiProject Former countriesformer country articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Ottoman Empire (assessed as Top-importance).

Turkey Mid‑importance

	Turkey portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Turkey, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Turkey and related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.TurkeyWikipedia:WikiProject TurkeyTemplate:WikiProject TurkeyTurkey articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Islam Low‑importance

	Islam portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Islam, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Islam-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IslamWikipedia:WikiProject IslamTemplate:WikiProject IslamIslam-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Daily pageviews of this article

A graph should have been displayed here but graphs are temporarily disabled. Until they are enabled again, visit the interactive graph at pageviews.wmcloud.org

Archives

Index 1

This page has archives. Sections older than 365 days may be automatically archived by when more than 5 sections are present.

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Ottoman Caliphate. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120112145701/http://faith-matters.org/resources/publicationsreports/252-the-tanzimat-secular-reforms-in-the-ottoman-empire to http://faith-matters.org/resources/publicationsreports/252-the-tanzimat-secular-reforms-in-the-ottoman-empire

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 22:15, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Map is wrong[edit]

It does not show Turkey as part of the Ottoman caliphate! --82.37.129.75 (talk) 00:43, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Ottoman Empire[edit]

Why on Earth is this a seperate article?

Its sections should be added in the relevant areas to the Ottoman Empire article, and Ottoman Caliphate should re-direct there. To talk of specifically caliphate related ideas there is also the Caliphate article. It would be like having a seperate article for the Umayyads and Umayyad Caliphate. The only reason to do this is because some of the earlier rulers did not claim to be caliphs - but that doesn't warrant an entire article. If editors really feel the need to compartmentalise this into a section, why not a section called, "Caliphate" on the Ottoman Empire article? ParthikS8 (talk) 16:38, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss on this talk page. ParthikS8 (talk) 16:42, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

June 2022[edit]

@Beshogur: with regard to this question: how do you justify "1362" as the date of the establishment of the Ottoman Caliphate when we have RS stating that: a) the Ottomans didn't ask for it, b) al-Mutawakkil III reportedly surrendered the Caliphate to Selim I? M.Bitton (talk) 15:50, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See the reference [1] pretty much reliable. Second, infobox country template has a pre event section, where pre events are regarded imporant.

Also TDV IA mentions this at the section section:

Osmanlı sultanları da I. Murad’dan itibaren bu geleneğe uyarak halife unvanını kullanmışlardır (I. Murad’dan Yavuz Sultan Selim’e kadar Osmanlı padişahlarının halife unvanını nasıl kullandıklarına dair çeşitli nâme örnekleri için bk. İbn Kemal, VII, 99, 197, 233, 235, 465, 525; Feridun Bey, I, 95, 96, 97-98, 99, 102, 103 vd.; Fatih Mehmet II Vakfiyeleri, s. 20-25; Sümer, LVI/217 [1992], s. 696-698).

For the second, there are no exact records how Selim I took the office. Later sources claim Mutawakkil surrendered the caliphate in Hagia Sophia. Beshogur (talk) 16:17, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This has been removed because that's not what the cited sources says. Essentially, it's mentioning the fact that the term "caliph" was used since the time of Murad I by the Ottomans and many Muslim rulers as a general meaningless title. M.Bitton (talk) 16:20, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As it stands, the 1368 date in the Infobox is both misleading and unsourced. M.Bitton (talk) 16:25, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Contrary to what you claim, I checked the source and interpreted it exactly the way it should. Even the above Turkish source says more or less the same thing (about the Sultans who use the title of Caliph in their own countries). This obviously has nothing to do with the Caliphate of the topic. M.Bitton (talk) 16:53, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]