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why not "refill paper"?![edit]

PC load letter
Refill Paper

The second is shorter, and would be universally understood. Amusingly bad UI design. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 23:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I reprogram them to say "FEED ME LETTER" or "FEED ME LEGAL" - usually I get an amused look out of a secretary when her printer asks to be fed. :)
Actually, LaserJet 4 error message when trying to print an envelope, says "ME FEED <envelope-size>" - and with a particular envelope format it is "ME FEED MONARCH". —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
The message is actually fine, if cryptic. PC refers to the standard 250 sheet tray, "MP" is the front paper feed ("multipurpose tray"), and "LC" would be the 500 sheet tray sold as an accessory. Dr Zak 14:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Universally understood, perhaps -- but won't help if, say, the printer is in Germany; people would be likely to put A4 paper in, since that's the standard size there. If the printer is expecting Letter format paper, it'll still ask for that, since that's not what it got. Now try explaining to someone why "Refill paper" can't be satisfied by refilling paper. -- pne (talk) 15:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
It's even more strange in german speaking countries, as the error message is a direct translation: "PC laden letter". As with the english version, people assume "laden" (load) refers to the loading of a program,file or gun, and letter not to the paper format, but a letter. People still encounter this message or similiar, when trying to print PDFs in letter format, when the printer is not set to ignore it. Also as far as I can tell, the article is technically correct - maybe cite the HP documentation for the printer(s) as a source could help, if they're online.
"Refill paper" may be slightly shorter, but it's also much less precise. "PC Load Letter" specifies both the size of paper which is expected and the particular cassette or feed tray into which it is to be loaded. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this message. Perhaps those who are "confused" by it should realize that it might be a good idea to glance at a user manual and at least become somewhat familiar with the basic operation of a piece of complex equipment before attempting to operate it. (talk) 04:01, 22 October 2015 (UTC)


Is there any way to avoid getting the message in the first place? The printer prints on A4 just fine. I'm fed up walking over to the printer just to press continue (for over 10 years now). Pgr94 17:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Some printers can be set to "ignore Letter/A4". I don't know the models offhand, but the Laserjet 4000 already has it, maybe even the 5.
The easiest way to avoid getting the message would be to load the correct sized paper into the printer.The Goat 15:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
That's really not very easy at all if (like most of the world) you live in a country where 'Letter' is not a standard paper size. --Oolong (talk) 22:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
tell the program doing the printing that it should be using A4. Might be called Page Settings or something like that. Your application will then tell the printer to print the page on A4, the printer knows it has got a paper cassette full of A4 so it just prints it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Assuming you are having the issue with pdfs the easiest way is probablly make sure your print driver is set up to print A4 by default and use the scaling/fitting options in acrobat reader to print letter documents on A4. Plugwash (talk) 20:38, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Change name to PC LOAD LETTER[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was moved to PC LOAD LETTER. -- Aervanath (talk) 04:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

  • I think this article should be at PC LOAD LETTER, with other capitalizations redirecting there. EAE (Holla!) 00:01, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Agreed. Dmarquard (talk) 12:51, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
  • PC Load LetterPC LOAD LETTER — Change in capitalization only. Originally proposed over a year ago with no objection and two agreements (including me here), also the article itself says "The error is always displayed fully capitalized" — Vicarious (talk) 04:50, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose move. The current title complies with WP:CAPS. --DAJF (talk) 11:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  • The article says that when this error message appears, it is always in all uppercase. It is not a name of anything. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:28, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Perhaps I'm cherry picking the part of the policy that suits me, but what seems most relevant to me is "would always occur capitalized, even in the middle of a sentence", which is the case here. Vicarious (talk) 16:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I don't think it would always occur capitalized, except on the printer, which capitalizes not based on any special property of the phrase, but because printer displays capitalize everything. A quick glance at google indicates the phrase, when used as a meme, is just as likely to be spelled "PC Load Letter" or "PC load letter". Baileypalblue (talk) 16:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
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The Beejive info was removed because it lacked a reference. (At least that was the stated reason) So, I reverted it and simply added a reference. I have a loose association with Beejive, but I think adding a requested reference seems reasonable. Aepryus (talk) 17:59, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Someone anonymously removed the paragraph on May 20, 2009, with the note "Advertisement for the iPhone app removed". No one associated with Beejive wrote/added that paragraph originally or modified it in anyway. To my knowledge no one has ever created a Beejive article in Wikipedia, what-so-ever. The paragraph was unceremoniously removed a few weeks ago claiming it was done so because it lacked references, without bothering to add a reference request and seemingly without making any effort to look for any references, since a google search of (beejive "PC LOAD LETTER") returns ~3000 results including on the first page a link to an article from the washington post. I reverted the deletion and added the reference to the washington post and then explicitly said so above. I am not arguing that the paragraph should be included in this article. But, if the reason it is not included in the article is because it lacked references, then I can provide a strong one from the washington post ([[1]]). However, I strenuously reject the implication and the insult of the latest deletion note and ask anonymous to justify his assertion. Aepryus (talk) 16:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
It wasn't me, but it seems like it was the right call. I note that the article mentioned above isn't a Washington Post article, it's just second-sourced copy from TechCrunch, which while generally well-informed is nonetheless a very personal and often speculative blog. Not to mention that the article, dated only two months ago, says "A quick Google search for "Beejive" and "PC Load letter" turns up only a few dozen results, a number of which are people complaining that they've been banned unfairly", although as you point out, there are now over 3,000. RossPatterson (talk) 17:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Again, I offer no opinion, as to whether the paragraph should be included or not. If the only reason for not including it, is the lack of references as to whether the behavior is true or not, then I think the washington post and/or tech crunch article is more than sufficient. My more serious concern was the accusation that this paragraph's existence was the doing of Beejive marketing; I and Beejive had nothing to do with it what-so-ever; with the exception of me adding the "requested" reference. I have no idea why someone cares so much about removing this paragraph; as I implied in my original post here, I strongly suspected that the reference argument was red herring; just as the "advertising" argument is probably now.Aepryus (talk) 03:03, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: There is no consensus to move the article ~~ GB fan ~~ 18:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

PC LOAD LETTERPC load letter — I don't see a clear consensus for the move (discussed in 2009 above) but it was moved anyway, in a manner that appears contrary to WP:TITLE, which suggests we use normal sentence case except for proper nouns. Powers T 17:25, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

  • The title is in uppercase because the message always or usually displayed in uppercase. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:56, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
    • Yes, I understand that reasoning, but it seems reasonably countered by the fact that the message usually appears on uppercase-only displays. We, as an encyclopedia and not a printer display, do not have that limitation. Powers T 17:31, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose - PC load letter is WP:POV, the correct spelling should be Pc load letter. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 13:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
    • How is it POV? "PC" is pronounced "pee see", and so it's okay to spell it with capitals. Powers T 00:57, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose Make it like it appears on the printer and leave it the way it is and that is the way it should be titled but saying it is POV is not true and I don't understand that opinion at all. (talk) 19:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
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Not sure if this is worth adding, but a LaserJet asking for the envelope size "Monarch" in the Manual Envelope feeder (quite common. actually) will say "ME FEED MONARCH"... — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:07, 9 February 2013 (UTC)