Talk:Passerellidae

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Merge request?

Not sure who requested the merge between Passerellidae and American sparrow, but are there members of Passerellidae which are not considered American sparrows? --Nessie (talk) 11:37, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are members of Passerellidae that don't have sparrow in the name (e.g. bush tanagers, brush finches). When American sparrows when lumped in Emberizidae with a variety of other birds, they might not have been considered American sparrows. Now the phylogeny and taxonomy have been refined, there is a case to consider all birds in Passerellidae to be American or New World sparrows. After all, bunting, finch, sparrow and tanager are not exactly precise terms. All the main bird sources seem to descibe Passerellidae as either American sparrows or New World sparrows, which makes me think they should be considered the same. Jts1882 | talk 12:39, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like the two articles are accidental. The American sparrow article has barely changed from when it was considered part of the much larger family Emberizidae. It included lark buntings, towhees and juncos as well as many with sparrow in the name. When the Emberizidae was broken up, the American sparrow article was edited by Pvmoutside to reflect the new family in the text and taxobox (i.e. Emberizidae changed to Passerellidae). Meanwhile, a new article for Passerellidae was created by Craigthebirder. I can't see any intent to have two articles. Jts1882 | talk 13:21, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - as per above --Nessie (talk) 18:59, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. I think the merge should be to New World Sparrow, which tends to be used instead American sparrow, e.g. IOC, HBW/birdlife.org, Cornell/eBird. Incidentally, I think Plantdrew added the merge tag. Jts1882 | talk 10:26, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. I'll go ahead an merge into American sparrow. Hummingbirds, grouse, New World warblers, etc have species in them that are not named specifically as title suggests...…Pvmoutside (talk) 16:45, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]